I suppose we are focusing on something that only Asian males usually like: resenting, or to put it more casually, “hating on” Asian women that (or when they) date Caucasian males.
You’ve heard Asian males many times before about how they hate that “white guys are taking all our women.” There is even a term for this that we have most of us have been accustomed: “Yellow Fever” which has been mentioned in SAPL #38 White Guys. There is also a popular short film by Wong Fu Productions (entitled ” Yellow Fever”) that tackles this “issue.” Check out the post and film and you’ll surely understand more clearly what we’re talking about.
Why do Asian men do this? Well, it’s because most Asian men assume that Asian females date white men because of certain attributes the white man has that Asian men lack. What are these attributes you ask? Glad you asked, there are the small physical features: height, pectorals, biceps, and the infamous private size. Other attributes include that Asian guys aren’t “manly” enough, too nerdy and geeky, and the last but certainly not least, are “too nice.” Many Asian guys usually translate this is to “oh I see, she doesn’t want to date Asian guys because we are not douche bag enough.”
Asian guys of course wish to break these stereotypes and believe that when an Asian female prefers to date white men only perpetuates them. Thus, the Asian guy’s rage ensues.
You will also hear Asian men rant about “how it’s never the other way around, and it’s rare to see Asian men with a Caucasian female.” I used to believe this was true until I went to college. Asian men like to say this because that’s all they’re paying attention to. It’s kind of saying a policeman rarely sees jay walkers, but sees a lot of drug dealers. Obviously this policeman is just not as concerned with jay walkers and more focused on drug dealers as drug dealers clearly present a bigger threat. Asian men feel exactly the same way about Asian women dating white guys.
Amongst Asian men outings or hang outs, when they see a couple walking down the street comprised of an Asian female and white man, they will ridicule the heck out of the couple…but of course never out loud. It is even to the point where Asian men become depressed at the sight of this, asking themselves, “damn, what is wrong with me?” Though this is covered by the outwardly expressed, “damn! What is wrong with her?!”Asian men have a good time doing this, as it gives them something to make fun of and be mad at as group.
Have a conversation with an Asian guy about this when you get the chance. It’s quite entertaining in itself. There are dozens of articles and debates addressing this issue that you can simply find by the magic of Google. Many of which believe that this truly is an issue affecting the Asian Community. Even at extreme cases, many Asian men believe that interracial dating is a threat to the unity of the Asian community, or something like that. (yes I’ve heard this before) You can even refer to previous posts of this blog! That’s how much we Asian guys like doing this!
Take me for instance, I admit that I have thought like this before: I too have had my fair share of hating the white man for taking our Asian women. (though no offense to Asian women, or women in general when I say that you ‘belong’ to us, I’m not implying you are all objects…you know what I mean). I was just so angry at all the beautiful Asian women going after the good looking, taller-than-me white men, and felt like there was nothing I could do but resent them. And I enjoyed it because it made me feel better about myself. I even went as low as using profane slander and scolding against my fellow Asian women for doing such an iniquitous act.
Though ironically enough, Asian men never resent other asian men for dating a white woman, while at the same time, say that interracial dating is a problem for the Asian community. That’s kind of like saying you’re against cutting down trees, and you chain yourself to great red woods but you don’t bother protecting the apple trees on the other side of the field. Aren’t trees all the same? ( I don’t know how good this argument is, but I hope you get the big picture of this major contradiction).
However, most Asian women who do prefer dating white men need not to defend themselves. Most of the time it is because of our own insecurities why we “like to hate on you.” However, you’ve got to consider why you primarily date white men: do you date white men simply because you’re really attracted to them? Well that’s okay, for me I can say I’m really attracted to brunette caucasians, no need to hate on me for that either. However, do you date white men only because you truly do feel that Asian men lack “manliness,” or more so, “are not real men.” That’s where you have to prepare yourself for some serious, legitimate resentment. It’s as if I said, “I date brunette white chicks because Asian women are just not sexual enough, and lack the lush and developed body of a white girl, and only white (brunette) women know how to satisfy men.” As you can see I sound like a douche bag and of course you have every right to resent me for making such claims. In any other case, it’s not your fault Asian women, we’re just bitter that we didn’t do enough to get you to notice us. (which makes us all the live long day what that special Caucasian white male did to get you to notice them. Odds are, nothing much.)
Though at this point, I can hear the hubbub of Asian men coming at me. I’m not saying don’t stop “hating on Asian women for dating white guys.” Just don’t take it too personal. It’s a comical issue that doesn’t need to be debated nor does it need to be treated as seriously as other social issues. I still like to hate on Asian women for it, but I give them the benefit of the doubt as it only goes as far as harmless teasing and jokes. You know, just like every other thing on this website!
And yes it does happen the other way around, for me I’ve seen plenty of Asian men dating white females (including myself)- and it had nothing to do with “oh because white women have bigger features” or “are better at sexual intercourse,” or something obscene that we charge Asian women for when dating white men. These relationships (at least the legitimate ones) are due to because the two people get along, care about one another, and like being around one another.
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1 Peter // Oct 13, 2008 at 2:17 pm
Wow, ryan, great post! I agree with so much of this! it’s like straight from any asian guy’s perspective.
2 Gaurav Ahuja // Oct 13, 2008 at 4:01 pm
Where do you see plenty of Asian men dating White women? I have watched programs and keep an eye out for such things. I live in the New York metropolitan area and I hardly see it. It is easily fifty more times with Oriental women dating White men. And it is obviously for physical and sexual reasons. Oriental women dating White men is similar to White women dating Black men. And it obviously is the woman’s fault since when it comes to the mating dance, women are the ultimate choosers. If you don’t believe me or just want more information, just take a looks http://isteve.com/IsLoveColorblind.htm
3 Chris // Oct 13, 2008 at 5:16 pm
Have to agree with Gaura at least here in Australia, there is way more wm/af than am/wf.
http://faculty.chicagogsb.edu/emir.kamenica/documents/racialPreferences.pdf
Above is a study done on racial preferences in dating and Asian men have a right to be resentful.
From the study:
“For male partners, our main finding is that Asians generally receive lower ratings than men of other races. In fact, when we run the regressions separately for each race, we find that even Asian women find white, black, and Hispanic men to be more attractive than Asian men.”
The final analysis is that women have a stronger preference for dating within their own race than men, but men still have a preference for dating within their own race. The exception is Asian women who, on average, have no preference against dating white men.
4 Chic Noir // Oct 13, 2008 at 6:56 pm
The final analysis is that women have a stronger preference for dating within their own race than men, but men still have a preference for dating within their own race. The exception is Asian women who, on average, have no preference against dating white men
It must be cultural.
5 Dynasty // Oct 13, 2008 at 7:50 pm
This must be a localized phenomenon restricted to California or something, as I have never heard any of my male Asian friends or acquaintaces complain about something nearly so incredibly ridiculous.
I myself am a nineteen year-old Asian guy, and am attracted exclusively to white chicks to boot. To be perfectly frank, and I don’t mean to offend anyone, I’ve always thought Asian girls were rather lacking and never found them attractive.
6 Mike Galsworthy // Oct 13, 2008 at 7:52 pm
No, no, no, there is no way that white girls pass over Asian guys because of some supposed lack of masculinity. I don’t buy that for a second.
There are tons of white guys who are just as un-masculine as Asian guys. These guys tend to cluster in the better professions like lawyers, doctors, etc, and are very often extremely successful with hot white girls.
In the scene I hang out in New York, the Indie scene, the guys tend all to be thin, short, and pretty darn un-masculine, and yet even in this scene it is rare to see Asian guys with white girls. And the white girls in this scene are often stunners. Outside of high school “jocks” really aren’t preferred at all.
Everyone knows, also, that girls don’t care most of all about looks, but care more for other things, like social status, wealth, future prospects, and personality.
Asian guys don’t lose any points to white guys on wealth, education, future prospects, nor are the most sexually successful white guys that much more masculine than the Asian average. So what gives? Where do Asian guys lose out in the perception wars?
Is it about the perceived Asian male personality? I know many people think Asians often show little emotion and are seldom exuberant or outgoing. Perhaps they seem passive. Is this perception – rightly or wrongly – hurting Asian guys?
It’s a real puzzle for me – I don’t buy for a second that it’s about looks, or at least not the masculinity quotient in looks. Asian guys seem to have many of the social status criteria down pat. I CAN see how some people might find the Asian male personality, on average, more passive than other groups, but is this enough? It doesn’t seem enough of an explanation.
The mystery remains. I wish someone would do some kind of serious study about this instead of peddling the usual notions about Asian masculinity, which seems wholly inadequate as an explanation. I’m really curious!
7 Shaun // Oct 14, 2008 at 3:49 am
No matter how interesting (or true) this topic may be… I think it’s been flogged to death to be honest! I think it may seem to be getting quite pathetic to all the non-Asian males out there to see this being harped upon over and over. See#40 White Girls and the slate of comments that follow that piece for proof…
8 Chris // Oct 14, 2008 at 5:05 am
Mike you wish someone to provide you with a serious study, I provided a link done by Columbia University which if you take the time to read through will provide you with the data you want. I believe there are always exceptions to the rules but this study seems to hold pretty true to what I see day in day out.
It’s not politically correct so many people seem to ignore it but people are asking why asian males don’t do as well as other racial groups in terms of dating, generally speaking of course. This study states the reason being that they are seen as the least attractive amongst all races of women. It did not take into account what you stated “social status, wealth, future prospects, and personality” which are far more important than attractiveness long term. The conclusion I draw from this is that asian males are being dismissed based on looks and not given a chance to show off other aspects of themselves which are desirable such as those mentioned before e.g. wealth, future prospects etc. This is why there are far more wm/af couples than am/wf.
9 HK_Guy // Oct 14, 2008 at 8:56 am
Ah, yes, this debate again… Anyway, let me throw some more fuel in the fire and say I am one of the counterexamples–I am an Asian Male and I date White Females nearly exclusively, and very attractive ones at that.
(On occasion I also date asian girls, but ratio is only about 10% — I just find white girls more attractive.)
I suppose I enjoy a lot of success there because I’m a very confident and successful self-built man. But sometimes I “go undercover” and conceal my social status and personality, and I do sense that girls are less likely to be attracted to me in that case. So that does appear to be the secret sauce.
I also live in Canada, and I think race is less of an issue here…
10 Dynasty // Oct 14, 2008 at 12:47 pm
Oh, forgot to mention: I live in Canada.
11 Kvietgrl // Oct 14, 2008 at 12:50 pm
hey shaun, i think this is a much needed post because prior posts didnt go into detail the thought process of an asian guy, especially admitting bitterness and other things. =)
- kviet
12 Jennson // Oct 14, 2008 at 1:13 pm
I don’t resent asian women for dating white men. I just don’t care and don’t find most asian women attractive.
13 Alan // Oct 14, 2008 at 2:48 pm
I love Asian Women, and I love White girls.
But if I have to choose, prolly the prior one.
14 Mike Galsworthy // Oct 14, 2008 at 5:39 pm
Chris – the study is unclear, for two reasons. One, it simply states that Asian guys are perceived as unappealing, without going into why. Secondly, even if it specifically said that Asian guys are seen as PHYSICALLY unattractive, everything we know about women based on dozens of other studies tells us that women don’t care all that much about looks.
I’m sure you’ve seen downright ugly white guys with the hottest of girls. Clearly these guys have personality and social status. Yet according to your theory they should have been rejected based solely on their looks and not even given a chance to display their social status. Yet that doesn’t happen, so I don’t see why it should happen with Asian guys. Your theory doesn’t fit the facts.
Further, what about Asian men is seen as so ugly? Is it Asian facial features? I don’t think that fits the facts as we know them, because those features are the same in Asian women, who have many admirers. If it isn’t the Asian features AS SCUH (which are the same in Asian men and women), one can perhaps say it is some other quality that is located in physical looks, like masculinity. Maybe Asian women are liked because they are high in femininity and that quality is prized in women, wheras Asian men are also feminine, and this quality is disliked in men. But then this brings us back to the point I made above about masculinity – relatively feminine white guys seem to have little problem getting the hottest girls. So it can’t be about the physique of Asian guys being more feminine.
No, it has got to be something about the perceptions of the Asian male personality, or some other non-physical aspect of Asian men, that is turning off white women. The mystery remains as strong as ever!
15 Chris // Oct 15, 2008 at 1:07 am
Mike I I understand this study doesn’t fit with your politically correct doctrine on life but i’ll break the report down for you since haven’t comprehended it correctly. Asian male faces were rated as least unnatractive by every race of female in general. That is the key point of this debate, all we can do is speak generally about this. I totally agree there are ugly white men with hot women, in fact there are ugly men of all races with hot women and I’m sure there are ugly asian men with hot women but we are talking about interracial dating here.Where women prefer their own race over others, which you would have realised if you read the study.
There is no mystery to this, what you have is a study done over a period of years done by prestigious universities providing that one of the major factors why asian men generally do poorly in interracial dating is because they are seen as physically unnatractive in terms of facial features. I don’t buy for a second that women don’t care much about looks in a partner. They want to have a handsome boyfriend just as much as a man wants a beutiful girlfriend. To think otherwise is delusional, you can’t honestly say that a girl prefers an ugly man to a handsome one provided they both treat her well and provide for her, its just one of the facts of life.
Some more facts from the study
White women: 38% yes to white men; 27% yes to black men; 27% yes to hispanic men; 16% yes to asian men
Black women: 89% yes to black men; 63% yes to hispanic men; 48% yes to white men; 31% yes to asian men
Hipanic women: 50% yes to hispanic men; 42% yes to black men; 39% yes to white men; 23% yes to asian men
Asian women: 45% yes to white men; 44% yes to asian men; 42% yes to hispanic men; 40% yes to black men
White men: 50% yes to hispanic women; 49% yes to white women; 41% yes to black women; 35% yes to asian women
Black men: 67% yes to black women; 63% yes to hispanic women; 59% yes to white women; 43% yes to asian women
Hispanic men: 49% yes to white women; 46% yes to hispanic women; 38% yes to black women; 29% yes to asian women
Asian men: 53% yes to white women; 47% yes to asian women; 38% yes to hispanic women; 37% yes to black women
When we look at this data it shows that asian men have the white fetish. Placing white women first which would explain why this issue irritates asian men. You may be aware that there is a far greater disparity in terms of percentage in black male/asian female dating compared to asian male/black female dating. Yet this is not commonly discussed as asian men rate black women the least attractive. Although thats an issue for another day. So Mike if you have any study backing up what you say i’ll be glad to read over it and discuss it with you but I think calling this issue a mystery is a bit of a stretch.
16 Chris // Oct 15, 2008 at 1:13 am
For those who don’t know which study I’m talking about here it is again:
http://faculty.chicagogsb.edu/emir.kamenica/documents/racialPreferences.pdf
Google Columbia University racial dating preferences if the link does not work for you.
17 Chris // Oct 15, 2008 at 1:22 am
Mike- here is just one of the many studies I have read stating that women want their partner to be physically attractive. It seems a given but since you stated women don’t care about looks i’ll post it for you to have a look through.
http://www.epjournal.net/filestore/EP06134146.pdf
18 cooper // Oct 15, 2008 at 4:05 pm
let the white guys have them, i dont want them anyway, never have never will. If asian girls want to be the subject of a white mans fetish that is their own decision.White girls are wayyyyyy better anyway.
19 Mike Galsworthy // Oct 15, 2008 at 9:34 pm
Chris, I’m not trying to be politically correct at all. That’s not my thing. I’d be willing to accept any truth no matter how unpalatable or offensive if it made sense.
I’d have no problems saying Asian guys are simply uglier than all other males if that made sense, but it just doesn’t make sense as an explanation for why they can’t get white girls based on everything I know about female psychology and based on things I observe on a daily basis, like ugly, effeminate white guys whit hot white girls.
To address your points, the second study you adduced most certainly doesn’t demonstrate that girls value looks highly. Let me clarify here for a moment, though – of course girls care about looks, but it isn’t a primary consideration for them, it is a secondary or perhaps even tertiary consideration. To the tiny, tiny minority of women who are at the absolute top of the sexual pyramid and who can afford to have ALL their demands in a partner satisfied, yeah, they’ll demand looks as well. That is all that study shows. Even to those women, though, I bet looks are a secondary consideration.
Secondly, lets say for a second it IS looks that white girls are objecting to in Asian guys, against everything we know about female psychology and despite the fact that ugly white guys – who are freely considered ugly by most white people – often get hot white girls. WHAT in the Asian male look is so objectionable? One obvious answer is their facial features. Yet that seems unlikely because those VERY SAME facial features are found in Asian women, who are often found hot by white guys. So it can’t be Asian features per se. The other possibility seems to be the effeminate physique of Asian guys compared to white guys. But then we see many white guys with physiques similar to Asian men getting hot white girls all the time.
So if it isn’t Asian features as such, nor the slender, effeminate Asian male physique , then what aspect of the Asian male appearance is so unattractive?
I am really quite willing to accept quite simply any explanation that fits the observed facts as I’ve described them and what we know about female psychology, etc, – no matter how politically incorrect or offensive, but simply saying Asian guys are ugly, without dealing with the objections I’ve raised to that position, just doesn’t cut it for me. Honestly, I’m just really curious at this point
20 Chris // Oct 16, 2008 at 12:42 am
Mike lets say hypothetically that there is some situation where there is one ugly asian guy and one ugly white guy who for some reason or another have decided they both want to date the same white woman. All other factors are equal. The white woman will choose the white male. Makes sense both in reality and in the study.
The reason an ugly, effeminate white guys would be with a hot white girl is the same reason an ugly, effeminate black man, would win out with a hot black woman if he were competing for her affections against an ugly, effeminate asian guy . WOMEN PREFER MEN OF THEIR OWN RACE. As is demonstrated with the above statistics. With the exception of asian women who do not discriminate against white males.
The point you continue to bring up about how asian men should be considered good looking because white men find asian women goodlooking in terms of facial features. As with many things in life the cross over appeal is low. Using your logic it would make sense that white gay guys would find asian gay guys to be attractive right? Yet ask most asian gay guy or just do a quick search around gay personals and they will tell you its just as tough as being a straight asian guy in terms of dating especially interracially. Your logic is flawed. You have overlooked the obvious which is men and women find different facial characteristics attractive.
Mike I’m curious to your age if you don’t mind me asking because. I know that as women get older and more desperate (if they are not married) they much the same as men, drop their standards to match what they can still attract in a partner. This would correlate to what you say about women not caring much about looks. I could believe this if we were talking about women aged around 40 years and over but for younger women, and I know that younger men of any race will agree with me when I say that women do care about how good looking their partner is.
21 CD // Oct 16, 2008 at 3:15 am
Here’s an insightful article that address this issue and more. It answers a lot of the questions, asked by the posters here.
Sex and the Asian Man
http://www.asian-nation.org/asian-man.shtml
22 Mike Galsworthy // Oct 16, 2008 at 5:52 pm
Hey Chris – fair enough, by introducing the factor of same-race preference (which to be fair you did in the other post but it seems I wasn’t paying attention) your theory does in fact make sense and fit the facts. It’s something to consider, even though it’s far from conclusive and I am far from convinced it is correct.
As for Asian male looks, it’s true that men and women find different facial features attractive, but this usually applies to qualities that physical features express – like masculinity, femininity, etc, rather than to the physical features themselves. For instance women like square, prominent jaws in men, while in women this physical feature is deeply unattractive. But the reason for this is not the feature per se but the quality expressed by the feature (square jaws are masculine). What I did was conceptually separate the physical features from the quality (masculinity, etc) which they expressed, and tried to see which one white girls were objecting. Neither Asian features nor Asian male effeminacy seemed on it’s own sufficient for the reasons I mentioned, but perhaps with the inclusion of same-race female preference a decent theory can be squeezed out.
My age? Just turned 29. It’s funny you seem so wedded to the idea of girls being big on physical looks. I used to think that way too. It actually took me quite a long time to finally grasp that women care far more about wealth, social status, and confidence than looks, although again, looks ARE a factor. Just a secondary one. I am not saying girls don’t care about looks AT ALL.
American society and media really don’t prepare for the realities of life in general and specifically for the realities of sex – we are bombarded with messages on TV, the movies, etc, that women care hugely about looks, and it takes many men a long time to realize that other things matter more. Some never do. Maybe it’s the women’s lib movement, or the idea that men and women are no different. Since of course men care most about looks, women must too! Maybe that’s the logic. The American culture of political correctness creates a screen between the brute facts of reality and our conception of reality, it’s a real handicap.
Not until after age 25 did I begin to learn the facts about what women really prefer, simply by observing my surroundings and seeing what kind of guys women were with, etc. Than again, I live in NY so it’s entirely possible that I’m dealing with a female demographic very different from where you live.
23 Nhi // Oct 16, 2008 at 7:13 pm
I like this post. =]
Partly ‘cos I’m actually dating a white guy. lol.
But also b/c there aren’t really any Asian guys where I live (who aren’t related to me).
Good article. Kudos to you~
24 Boris // Oct 18, 2008 at 6:08 am
I don’t really think this is an issue either, though I have noticed and thought about it before.
However I do get jealous, because many people I know have said that they wouldn’t date someone as long as they were Asian.
I think my best friend doesn’t want to marry an Asian because she’s trying not to fall into what she feels is a ‘stereotype’ that her mother puts on her.
Maybe there’s nothing you can do about it, but sometimes it makes me wish I wasn’t born an Asian.
25 Sean // Oct 19, 2008 at 12:38 am
I don’t worry about this. I’ve been to Asia. We are roughly 1/7th of the world’s population. There are 1 billion of us alone in China. There are not going to be less asians because of interracial dating. Trust me…go there. There are plenty of us out there.
26 Chantelle // Oct 19, 2008 at 3:37 am
How can this still be an issue? We live in the 21st century, harping on about the pros and cons or the right or wrong reasons about interracial dating only creates further racial distinction.
How about people date because they like that someone else, just because of who they are? No un-emotionally challenged asian woman only dates a caucasian because she thinks he’s superior to an asian male. How about it’s because she likes him? Make it even by adding that to your argument.
27 Saskia // Oct 21, 2008 at 9:30 pm
I like Chantelle’s point about looking at it case by case instead of the general trends. Both Asian and White males can be attractive and have attached ‘pros’ (e.g. White – cute babies, Asian – cultural understanding)
28 hrhkat // Oct 22, 2008 at 2:29 am
I have seen an Asian guy/White girl combo….they have their own tv show. Its called John and Kate plus 8. Hes asian shes white, they have a million reallly cute kids. Maybe white girls should start going out with asian guys, because the cute kid factor has huge potential.
But you can also feel better to why you dont like Asian girls all that much. Most Asian girls are very flat, and look like 12 year old boys. Maybe white guys have this secret pedophile thing going on when they date Asian girls…im just sayin’! lol…next time you see a white guy with a flat asian girl just think “I bet he only likes her because she reminds him of his boyhood friend ricky”…it makes me feel better…
29 divaL // Oct 22, 2008 at 11:34 am
is that video shot in price center @ UCSD?
30 dude // Oct 22, 2008 at 2:48 pm
Asian males are chauvinist. That is possibly why asian girls date white guys.
31 RyanFriday // Oct 23, 2008 at 2:24 am
Since this article had so many responses I decided to wait a bit before I responded.
Anyway, I appreciate that this piqued so much interest, we at SAPL knew this would receive a lot of responses
For Chris and Mike, you are both correct. It probably is true that Asian men are seen as the least attractive, but hey that’s not so bad. Than we can’t sit and complain, but only make up for it somehow. And to answer why Asian men are seen as unattractive? There’s only one demographic that can really answer that question: women and maybe not studies by some college, but you know just asking women directly. why? well if I wanted to know what best beer to buy I’m not going to refer to studies, but probably ask advice from men that actually drink beer frequently.
But if you really think about it, the stats that follow the question that pertains to what race do women find the most and least attractive, doesn’t necessarily mean women don’t like Asian men at all. If we ask a similarly worded question with flavors of ice cream:
Rate these ice cream flavors, 1 being the best to 5 being the least favorite:
chocolate, coffee, vanilla, strawberry, mint-chocolate chip, rocky road, cookie dough
I mean, what if we had the least percentages with vanilla for example? That doesn’t necessarily imply women don’t like vanilla at all, it just means they’re most likely to eat mint-chocolate chip over vanilla. after all, all women like all ice cream right? (there’s a hopefully harmless stereotype)
Also let me clarify the conclusion: when it comes down to it, one shouldn’t be attracted (or with ) someone because she or he’s this or that race. Race shouldn’t be an issue- if you’re attracted to someone you’re attracted to someone. Not because she’s white, black, yellow or blue, it’s because she or he makes you feel good in all sorts of ways. you know what i mean. ooooh yeaaaaaaah.
(just trying to bring a little humor to settle some of this tension)
if you’re dating someone because he’s mad hot. okay fine why not; but when you’re dating someone because he’s WHITE and mad hot? or perhaps you’re dating someone because you like their personality and they treat you well, sure awesome. but there’s no need to say “yes I’m dating that guy because he’s an Asian guy and I like his personality and he treats me well.” you see the difference?
Though in the world today, Race will unfortunately always be an issue. But really, it will always be up to you, at least when it comes to dating.
but again, thanks for all the responses- and thanks for stopping by at Stuff Asian People Like
-Ryan Friday
32 Asian Guys Get the White Girls // Oct 23, 2008 at 6:08 am
I remember when Filipino men were dating a lot of white women in the 1900s and the white men responded with anti-miscegenation laws…LOL.
33 Chris // Oct 23, 2008 at 4:13 pm
I definately agree with Chantelle and Ryan and I think thats the majority of white male/asian female couples. The question that was raised was that why WM/AF outnumbers AM/WF so significantly and I posted the attractiveness study as evidence that one of the factors could be asian males physical unnatractiveness to other races where they rate the lowest amongst all concerned. I do find comments by some asian males here hypocritical when they say they dislike seeing white males with asian females yet would not have the same attitude if they saw an asian male with a white female.
. I do find history interesting and how society changes.
It should be judged on an individual basis but this entire website generalises asians by “stuff they like” so its pretty difficult not to generalise here.
The last poster made me laugh, you must be around 108 years old now
About 69 percent of married Asian women are married to Asian men, while 25 percent of married Asian women have white husbands. “But as common as marriages are between Asian women and white men, cohabitations are even more prevalent,” says Ono. “In fact, Asian women are more likely to be living with white men than with Asian men. Nearly 45 percent of cohabiting Asian women have white partners, while less than 43 percent have Asian partners.”
http://www.umich.edu/~newsinfo/Releases/2000/Mar00/r032300a.html
Interracial relationships will never be divided 50/50 between the races and sexes. Take a look at black males with asian female compared to asian males with black females where there is an even greater disparity.
To those looking for a boyfriend/girlfriend in reality I think that race is only as big a deal as you make it. If someone rejects you because of your race move on. Don’t dwell on it and become bitter. You wouldn’t want to be with someone that shallow anyway. There is definately someone for everyone and as long as you keep trying you’ll eventually find him/her and race will be the last thing on your mind.
34 Agiel7 // Oct 25, 2008 at 1:50 pm
Addendum:
Actually, some of us Asian men take satisfaction in the fact that the white men who date Asian women are in for a very nasty surprise: the infamous nagging Asian woman.
Seriously, it should be no wonder why Japan is the nation with the highest number of suicides in the world (a sizable portion of which are middle-aged salarymen).
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36 Vic // Nov 2, 2008 at 8:05 pm
I only hate white men dating asian women, because the white dudes are usually arrogant and have no respect for Asian culture. They usually dissed on Asian men, and their Asian side kick validate them. They think because they date an Asian, they can speak for Asian people and stereotype them.
I don’t feel the same way when I see a Black guy dating an Asian girl. I only have contempt for whites. So I am not against inter-racial relationship.
I do wonder why Asian only date whites, and not other races. They must have white envy or something, either that or they hate the way they look and wish to wash that out.
37 Anonymous // Nov 5, 2008 at 6:14 pm
I don’t think it is true attractiveness, but more about how your peers are dating. If you live or date in an area that is more white than any thing else you are going to see more minorities dating white instead of their own race. I live and went to college in NM and happen to be a black chick and most black guys I know do not date black girls, but I recently lived in NC and interracial dating is not as common. I thought I was unattractive when I was younger and even though I’m open to and have dated non black guys, I prefer black guys and was very surprised seeing black couples in NC. After this experience I really don’t care about race, just compatibility.
38 JustMe // Nov 6, 2008 at 7:55 am
Geez, if interacial dating bothers you people, you should stay away from Canada then! We’re pretty multicultural, very diverse, so whether you’re a guy or a girl, interracial dating is soooo common here!
Sure there may be, in some cases, cultural shock/differences,but despite that, it all just comes down to two people accepting each other for whom they are and knowing that they can live together and be best friends for the rest of their lives. It’s who you’re compatible with. Race shouldn’t even have to be a factor. So what if you see an asian girl dating other races aside from their own? Black people think the same about asian/white girls dating”Their” black guys, and black girls get all fiesty thinking other races aside from their own are taking all their good men, so it’s not even so much an asian thing, it’s common with all races.
Nonetheless, looks has nothing to do with it, it’s not that white men are stealing your asian girls, its’ because we live in diverse countries, which allows us to think it’s ok to date other races cuz we’re all humans! If it bothers you people, you guys should move back to wherever you came, it’s not so much of an eyesore then, cuz then, you’ll only see asians dating asians.
Asian, black, latino, white, indian, whichever, it’s who you are and what makes other attracted to you whether it be your charming ways your demeanor anything, underneath it all we’re all the same.
I’m asian dating a latino guy, and NOOO i’m not dating him just to piss you asians off, but we’re actually very compatible and we’re great together.
EXPAND YOUR HORIZONS!!! DON’T LIMIT YOURSELVES!!!
39 Equal Opportunity Asian Guy // Nov 7, 2008 at 6:58 am
Good article. Being an Asian male I only get annoyed at Asian women who only date White guys. WTF? Why limit yourselves? The same goes for anyone else. It’s a pretty narrow minded preference. I enjoy women of every ethnicity. Variety is the spice of life.
40 Laetitia // Nov 8, 2008 at 6:54 pm
@ JustMe, don’t worry, nobody in their right mind wants to go to Canada. ^_^
41 OregonGuy // Nov 10, 2008 at 6:36 pm
As a white guy that is engaged to an Asian woman (Asian Asian, not Asian American) there are a few reasons she lists for dating mostly white guys.
1) her first bf in college was white. After that other Asian guys where either intimidated, turned off or thought she was tainted.
2) More freedom for women in a typical western marriage than typical Asian one. This is obviously a generalization, but one I heard from Japanese women constantly as to why they didn’t want to get married. When single they can make their own choices, when married there is often great pressure to become solely a wife and mother (not that western culture is free from this).
42 Angela // Nov 10, 2008 at 8:22 pm
Everytime I see an Asian-White couple I always notice that the Asian(usually female) Isn’t very good looking compared with other Asians, fat for an Asian, or white-washed.
43 Mark // Nov 12, 2008 at 2:17 pm
Ryan, you’re an embarrassment. You’re obviously not cognizant of the issue and haven’t thought it through from a socialogical perspective. Pretty immature analysis.
44 Mark // Nov 12, 2008 at 2:21 pm
It further seems that those on this board have been living under a rock. This issue is an old one and you guys have barely to discuss it on any intelligent level or at least one that reflects the times. Your dicussions are like a flashback to the 80′s or 90′s.
45 Mark // Nov 12, 2008 at 5:32 pm
Ryan Friday? Are you Asian or part Asian? Anyways, I finally got around to reading your stupid article… and how lame it was. You’re either living on a different planet or completely clueless. What’s worse than you defending Asian female’s so-called “preferences” is your mocking understone leveled against Asian men. I’m gonna write a relatively short response for the record so that others don’t get the wrong impression that everyone is as dopey as you or as dopey as all the Asian girls who “prefer” to date white/black/hispanic/arab/non-asian guys.
1. “However, do you date white men only because you truly do feel that Asian men lack “manliness,” or more so, “are not real men.” That’s where you have to prepare yourself for some serious, legitimate resentment.”
This is exactly why many Asian women date “white” guys. They say this to their friends, other women, on the internet and mass media (Remember the overweight Korean girl on Big Brother who said that she never dates Korean guys?). What’s more, it’s not only white guys that they prefer to date — it’s anyone who is not from the country of their origin or look anything remotely like their brothers, cousins or fathers. Asian women can be commonly seen with blacks, hispanics, Arabs… What’s clear is that it’s not simply white guys they prefer, it’s anyone who is doesn’t look like them. If Asian women simply preferred white guys, then that would make “some sense” inasmuch as whites are the majority in this country (U.S.).
2. “Asian guys of course wish to break these stereotypes and believe that when an Asian female prefers to date white men only perpetuates them. Thus, the Asian guy’s rage ensues.”
“many Asian men believe that interracial dating is a threat to the unity of the Asian community, or something like that.”
When Asian men occupy the bottom of the dating totem pole in the United States, to deny that Asian female’s dating preferences do not affect the wider perception people might have about Asians in general and Asian men in particular is idiotic. It is clear that people are very much aware of this phenomenon and do wonder, “What the f. is wrong with Asians and Asian men?” when they see this happening in such high statistical numbers.
Moreoever, as flattering as it may be for Asian women that they may get hit on with high frequency, it’s common knowledge that Asian women are seen as easy and often depicted as hypersexualized in the media. To the extent Asian women continue to play up this stereotype, it is a detriment to themselves and Asians in general.
3. “Though ironically enough, Asian men never resent other asian men for dating a white woman, while at the same time, say that interracial dating is a problem for the Asian community.”
It is normal, natural and healthy for any group to date outside their group. However, when this occurs at a relatively high rate compared to other ethnic groups, it is a sign of something gone awry. Of course, there is nothing wrong with Asian women dating non-Asian men, all things being equal. However, since they are doing so in much higher #s relative to other minorities, it is a sign of something unhealthy. Conversely, Asian men date outside their group in much lower #s compared to other men. Consequently, when Asian men do so, it’s a good thing. In the African American community, we observe the opposite phenomenon: black men dating outside their group in high #s; and black women dating outside their group in lower #s. If and when this trend reverses, it will be a good sign.
4. “However, most Asian women who do prefer dating white men need not to defend themselves.”
Asian women do need to defend themselves given the socio-political environment that we live in and the ethnic stereotypes and perceptions they reinforce by their so-called “preferences”.
46 sophia // Nov 13, 2008 at 9:39 pm
this is silly… there’s nothing to hate on. i’ve only ever seen really ugly asian girls who look like dogs with really ugly white guys who look like greasy douchebags. there’s nothing to be jealous or insecure about. in this setup, even the ugliest or both races can find ‘love’ and ‘be happy’ so we should applaud.
besides, am/wf is on the rise. i see it more often nowadays than the reverse. so asian guys, stop taking abuse from your bitchy female couterparts– you are not too nerdy or skinny or socially inept or whatever they’re trying to brainwash you with. they’re probably just jealous that your time is coming, and you’ll be shacking up with better looking people than they’re capable of getting!
47 chinoise // Nov 15, 2008 at 12:45 am
me, I’m happy enough where I am for now… Doesn’t mean that i’m peachy keen with the current race situation or self-identity the way we’d all like to be, but i’m getting to a good place and I feel only sympathy for those still stuck in “i’m ugly cuz of race/you’re ugly cuz of race/i care deeply about dis/proving the aforementioned statements” land.
I like asian guys, and every other kind of guy all about equally. always got called “banana” for being so bad at math…. see, i dont keep track of how many guys of each race i like. does it really matter how symmetrical his face is, and if he is willing to supply your retail binging (err, to some extent, i’m not THAT deep)? now If you think i’m ugly cuz i’m asian or just because, that’s good for you (i guess; me on the other hand, can’t say i’m necessarily pleased with that but it depends on your attractiveness). I’m for gay marriage but polygamy/marrying the population is not my goal, so i will not require all or even most of you to wanna copulate avec me, preciate it tho.
besides, many asian guys who 1) are jackasses or 2) have goals, are charming and nice but not weak-willed often date attractive women, white yellow black or what have you (i hope the latter is the reason why!) can’t say i don’t like to make fun of asian girls with white guys sometimes, but it’s not as if i haven’t felt the same way about many other interracial couplings before @ some point.
OK so maybe breeding with a same-race guy runs a higher risk of producing unattractive kids, but hell, as a white-washed asian girl i don’t even like the way most eurasians look. not many everyday folk are top-tier gorgeous/attractive, nor is the count for mixed-race much higher, either (from my observation: one exception maybe is mulatto).
I also find the statements really amusing, saddening, peculiar: “I only find [narrow or vague description that includes race] attractive.” even i haven’t met enough of anybody (and i travel alot dear) to say that for sure. OK whatever …….. keep denying yourself the very divine possibilities we have laid out for us, s’il vous plait. i will not be limiting myself like that tho. i simply refuse to believe an entire race is not attractive to you. our ancestors, whose coitus brought us here today, didn’t seem not nearly as picky about nail color and designer brands n such. really ladies, i can see past the fake: eyelid crease, boobs, lips, hair (butt is harder to discern) and you are not more attractive for it. then again i’m not a lesbian, perhaps it doesn’t matter? oh wait, it does…
also: penis size. wtf would you care about the flaccid poor little thing, only thing that matters is when it’s standing @ attention and there is little discrepancy then. there are testimonials out there
some big asians, some small black ones, and all in between. masculinity is overwhelmingly a culture thing. i know a good lot of women who don’t like men buff and thick and strong looking. i think we’d all be surprised what we may or may not find attractive in each other.
i think i’ve addressed all that is of interest to me, hope that helped you out or at least gave you some amusement (it did for me). basically stand up for yourself and think straight, cause i know, you know, that i’m right.
just trying to spread the Truth! yes i feel quite mighty about it too 
48 SteveSailerisanAss // Nov 16, 2008 at 11:10 pm
Who was that fake Indian guy posting link to Steve Sailer article. Steve Sailer is a racist asshole. What an idiot!
49 YouDoucheBags // Nov 17, 2008 at 2:27 am
Actually I find there’s alot of HOT ASIAN Girls with HOT White guys, and vice versa. Not true about Ugly asians with ugly caucasions. Haters, if anything there’s alot of ugly asian girls with ugly asian guys so what? Good for them!
50 Jay // Nov 19, 2008 at 12:39 pm
Now, this is my first time on this site. After hearing about the site stuffwhitepeoplelike.com, I thought of making one for Asians/Pacific Islanders but found this site.
I read this article and had a few things to say.
First of all, I’m Pacific Islander and I have never felt, thought, nor even heard of Asian males “hating” on Asian females for dating outside their race. Hate is a short word with a powerful meaning which should be erased from our vocabulary anyway.
Back to what I was saying….
I grew up with several different races and since moving out to Southern CA, I did my other half of growing with predominately blacks and Mexicans until I went to high school. I have plenty of Asian friends who have dated within their own race as equally as out of it. Not once have I ever heard these words expressed in this blog.
The only things I’ve ever said was, “she could do better,” but that is not necessarily me hating on my Asian female friends for not dating an Asian male. I, myself, have dated plenty of Asian females but also have dated white, black, and Mexican females. I’ve dated more Asian females than any other race due to culture similarities.
People are going to be attracted to whoever they’re attracted to is what I say. You can’t deny a person’s hotness – if they’re hot, they’re hot!
I don’t think it has anything to do with Asian males not being masculine enough but I do know a few softies which I am not one. Height? Wear hills. Physical attributes – pecs, biceps, etc? Hit the gym. True, Asian males can’t get that much muscle because of the way we’re built. We are more tone and chiseled. If you really want a super muscular built, take something for it. Private size? Hahahaha! I’m sure you can get that fixed too if you’re really that insecure of yourself. Remember, God made you the way you are so be happy with that and find someone who will be to. Besides, size is really over-rated and I’m not just saying that. I’m more than comfortable with who I am and what I bring to the other person (mentally, emotionally, spiritually, physically) rather than what I have between my legs. Not “manly” enough? It all depends on the guy really. Too geeky/nerdy? HA! We go both ways on that one. We either have a sense of style or just lost compared to white males who try. I’m not knocking on anyone but there are more white males who try not to be white. We all know, white people tend to be plain. Besides, being a geek/nerd is in nowadays isn’t it?
Why are we always hating on others, geesh!
It all matters on how you play the game. Mind over matter. It’s not what you don’t have or lack because you always have an advantage in another way. I met this Asian girl who was dating a white guy for almost three years until I came into the picture. I’m not proud of it but if I want someone I’ll go out and get it. I’m no home wrecker, that’s on the other person who is already in the relationship. If they chose to leave their partner then oh well. It’s like trading in players and yes, I have been traded a few times but that’s not the point. Anyways, her ex I have to say was a handsome mate – blond hair, blue eyes, etc. Though he lacked being affectionate towards her which was my gain. It’s just how you see it and beyond the picture. Use what they lack to your advantage. Simple.
Now if you are that Asian male who is bitter about white guys taking “our” women, then sh*t, take your a** to China (or any other Asian country) and I’m pretty sure you’ll find someone there.
Stop the hate people.
One Love.
51 D // Nov 20, 2008 at 2:13 pm
I’m 5’5 which is average height for an American female. But my family and relatives say I’m tall. Currently, I’m the tallest female in my family. I’m also taller than many of my adult male relatives.
52 D // Nov 20, 2008 at 2:17 pm
erm, wrong post. me and my habit of having a million tabs.
anyways, I find all races have attractive ppl. But those of mixed race are most attractive to me.
53 kalle // Nov 22, 2008 at 3:46 am
You are generalizing too much. I think we have to take into account social strata within the “asian” or “white” or whatever populations and check who pairs with whom. I think the heavy skews towards AF-WM and BM-WF can to a large degree be explained by differences in (un)willingness to move up or down in social status: Most white females I see with black males (most, not all!) are from the lower social strata within white population, while the black guys dating them seem to have relatively higher social status within black population (money, fame, education,…). Similarly, most female asians interdating seem to come from relatively lower social status groups within asian population, while again the white guys dating them seem to come from relatively higher social status groups. I’m talking only circumstantial evidence here, based on my own observations, I’m not aware of a scientific study of this unfortunately. So the question I ask myself is more like why are asian males seemingly not willing to date or marry “down”? Because you will have to agree, it’s almost always the case that if you can’t find a partner, it’s not because there is absolutely nobody else in the world who would take you but because your standards or expectations are not met by those who would and those who meet them do not want you. So why do asian guys not want to date white or black females from relatively lower social strata (relative to their own status within their own population)? Something to do with their upbringing? Why do richer or higher-status black males actively seek white females? I remember a black guy commenting on obama in the nyt two years ago that at first, he was skeptical and expected him to have a blonde wife because he was successful, but when he saw him with michelle, he said he felt he was “one of them”. And why are black females not willing to date or marry “down” (relative to their status within their own population)? I think if you can find an answer to that, you will have a better answer than simply “white guys are this” or “black females are that”.
54 korean guy // Nov 23, 2008 at 4:48 pm
korean guy from southern cal, and i know many korean girls who are married to white guys. this guys have many traits that korean mothers do like. most of them are ivy-league graduate with high social status in their profession. these white guys looks are average (i am sure they were nerdy in high school)
I know many good looking korean girls who are married to average looking korean guys. but these korean guys are very successful and highly educated. (i am sure they were very nerdy in high school)
I don’t know about other asians, but for sure korean women want a successful provider as men want a stable nurturer. the look of men is not the most important thing to them as long as you are average looking. for example, take a look at the new president of korea, his nick name is “rat”, but he is married to formal beauty pageant who’s from a prominent family in korea.
Korean girls don’t care too much about the guys look, size of penis( i feel like my whole body is one big penis), its all about your confidence. and for sure, most of korean girls who do get married to white guys are not marrying them for their look….. because i know they were very nerdy when they were in high school…
55 korean guy // Nov 23, 2008 at 4:52 pm
any most of korean girls i know want to only date korean guys… at least in southern california. but you can’t blame some korean girls in midwest dating white guys, because that what you got available out there.
56 Jay and Silent Blob // Nov 26, 2008 at 12:35 am
you know whats sad? at might job, most of the asian guys are really rude and have bad attitudes. most of the white guys are actually really nice. so, i could see why asian girls would go for them. its sucks for me to admit that cuz im a straight asian guy myself. maybe its a cultural thing, or maybe asian guys are just insecure. whatever.
57 Hapa Surfer in Long Beach // Nov 26, 2008 at 1:01 am
Bob Marley was born to an English father and Jamaican mother. He was spit on and ridiculed throughout his childhood and called “half caste” by all the other people in his neighborhood. Because of his mixed race, he had no friends growing up.
“I don’t have prejudice against meself. My father was a white and my mother was black. Them call me half-caste or whatever. Me don’t dip on nobody’s side. Me don’t dip on the black man’s side nor the white man’s side. Me dip on God’s side, the one who create me and cause me to come from black and white.”
-Bob Marley
Asian women need to stop disrespecting Asian men just cuz they arent attracted to them. Asian men need to stop hating Asian women and the White guys that they date. Self racism is still racism. Peace.
58 Mark // Nov 26, 2008 at 4:27 pm
1. Asian women date everyone, regardless of social status these days. It used to be that Asian women wanted to date UP. Now, they just want to date Non-Asian and they diss Asian men along the way. It used to be a secret, but now it seems everyone knows about the “Asian women don’t Asian men” phenomenon. Check out Youtube. A lot of people seem to be curious as to why and or think it’s pretty funny/strange that Asian women don’t like Asian men. Esther Ku has built a comedy career on it.
2. Asian-American men never really dissed Asian women for dating non-Asian. If anything, they were just privately pitied. In fact, even very recently, most remained very stoic or indifferent. It is only more recently that more Asian men have woken up to the treachery and backstabbing by these women in the media. Check out Esther Ku or Gina Choe, America’s next top model, for recent mass media public dissing of Asian men.
3. A huge # of Asian women in Socal date nonAsian men. It is not a midwest “there are no asian men to date” phenomenon at all.
4. On average, Asian men earn more than white men. On avg, black men earn the least. On paper, black men are the worst candidates for marrying/dating. Hispanics are a little above blacks. Yet in the hierarchy of dating, Asian men occupy the lowest level. And black men sit at the top right behind white; sometimes above white depending on the circumstances. Simply put, how attractive women consider an ethnic group is not correlated with social status, college degrees, or income level. It’s perception of masulinity. A ghetto lower middle class black guy will have better luck with women than an upper middle class college educated Asian guy.
5. Most Asian guys are not rude. This is a dopey statement. The stereotype of Asian guys are that they are too nice and not aggressive enough.
6. Most white guys that Korean women date are not Ivy League educated. This is is a dopey assertion. If Asian women only dated the “best of the best” regardless of ethnicity, that would be very rational. The fact that they do just the opposite and diss Asian men as well is what is irrational and ‘self-hating’ about their behavior.
7. Although the media is not 100 percent to blame, it should take a big chunk of the blame. For example, there’s little doubt that the constant favorable light that blacks are put in the media helps to give them a positive social halo. Black men are lionized in the media to no end. It’s enough to make a black kid wonder: why should he do well in school and stop misbehaving if he has everything handed to him already? On the other side are Asian men. Despite their hardwork and good social behavior, they are more often put in the most unattractive light. It makes an asian kid wonder: what’s the point of behaving and doing well in school when the truant black kid ends up with all the praise? Asian women are uber sexualized, on the other hand, which many obviously enjoy and play up to, stupidly.
59 JoshLee // Nov 28, 2008 at 12:50 pm
Instead of hating and whining, which would probably just drive MORE asian girls away, why not go to the gym? I am fortunate enough to be taller than most asians and I find that the whole manliness (or lack of it) hype of asian men can be easily debunked. We might not be able to help ourselves height-wise but I am a daily frequenter of the gym and find that I’m better there than many of my white friends. It’s all about confidence, determination, and realizing that white men are in no ways better than us. Man up!
60 The Engineer // Dec 4, 2008 at 10:35 pm
“High Suicide Rates for Asian-Am. Women”
by James Kim, dated April 17, 2006:
http://www.newuniversity.org/main/article?slug=high_suicide_rates_for81
A few excerpts:
“…
‘Suicide is the second-leading cause [of death] among Asian-American women,’ Noh said. ‘Asian-American women over 65 have the highest female suicide rate. Similarly, women from 15 to 24 also have the highest suicide rate across race and ethnicity. Asian-American girls in elementary school have the highest rate of depression across gender and race.’
…”
It is not overarching to equate irrational and/or psychotic behavior with suicidal tendencies; therefore, I propose to make the following statement:
Asian females are generally psychotic.
Granted, such a statement may seem to generalize (and I do agree that such a statement can and will be unpopular), but if we start with that statement as a basis for theory, then we can begin to understand Asian female dating habits from a more sympathetic perspective.
How do psychotic people behave?
Are they more prone or less prone to depression?
To treat such depression, are psychotic people more likely or less likely to self-medicate with alcohol and other drugs (legally prescribed or otherwise)?
Are psychotic people more likely or less likely to socialize with like-minded psychotic people?
Are psychotic people more likely or less likely to view themselves in a positive way?
Are psychotic people more likely or less likely to commiserate with one another?
With just a little consideration of the aforementioned questions, one can see a clearer picture as to why Asian females are dating as they are doing now.
For the moment, I see no immediate solution.
There may be a concrete reason why Asian males are considered at the bottom of the dating hierarchy.
By any measure, Asian males are generally exceeding:
1. Familial piety (i.e. respect for elders and the family unit).
2. Educational level
3. Income level
4. Investment and Savings rate
5. Law abiding.
6. Health (including mental stability)
7. Industriousness
8. Charity
9. Intelligence
10. Modesty
Asian males on average have achieved what very few other have achieved, and it is for this reason that they are the least desireable.
Most females do not want men that they cannot control, do not want men that are independent, and most of all, do not want men that can figure them out.
Although most Asian men prefer to date and ultimately marry Asian women, I do believe that we must face the reality that we must expand our field of view if we wish to date and marry at all.
If Asian females continue to have psychotic problems, then our only recourse is to date and marry other women.
Personally, I have considered the possibility of marrying a Caucasian female, but I do such consideration without any compromise in my own personal standards. I fully expect her to be educated, law abiding, and like-minded in viewpoints.
Thank you for listening.
61 Aoede // Dec 11, 2008 at 8:31 pm
As an Asian woman, I myself have no particular bias for or against Asian men. However, I will suggest several hypotheses for the perceived bias:
1) Look at the numbers. Face it – there’s a much bigger sampling of white men out there than Asian men… and when people mentally assess a situation, they don’t often take percentages into account. Just numbers, and approximate ones at that.
2) The perspective – which I have, admittedly, found to be slightly more prevalent in my Asian male acquaintances – that women should be submissive to their husbands. Some attempt to justify it, some don’t. Either way, I’m willing to bet that that’s a major turn-off for most women – regardless of the race of either the man or the woman.
62 Aoede // Dec 11, 2008 at 8:32 pm
Oh, and The Engineer: fuck off and die in a corner somewhere. You’re giving a bad name to your demographic.
63 Pygmy // Dec 13, 2008 at 12:27 pm
First of all, I’m an Asian female. I’m all over the place in terms of personality, propensities, etc, so it’d be pretty difficult to categorize me into any role: submissive Asian girl, loud-mouth Asian girl, the former two’s White counterparts, etc. Frankly, Asian women dating White men and White women dating Asian men: all derive from a like for novelty (esp., Asian women dating White men). We all like to experiment and try what’s out there before we settle on something. That applies to everything from choosing your ice cream flavor to getting married. I’m the outlier on this one since I waited and found my pusband on the first try =D. Anyway, back to my point. Unless you’re bi-racially Asian and White (like John from John and Kate plus 8), you will ultimately end up being with someone of your own race in old age (it might take a multitude of divorces before you get there; your last marriage at age…99 is going to be with someone of your own race). Interracial marriages that are completely harmonious and compatible (one that gives you the feeling of oneness with your spouse) are impossible if you’re completely Asian and your wife or husband is completely White. Cultural differences make every mundane decision in marriage a United Nations debate. If I was married to a White guy, we could have a ponderous, long-winded discussion about the merits of taking your shoes off at the door, but my supposed White husband will never really “get it” and forget to take off his shoes when I’m not home to act as the shoes-off(!) police.
Women and men inevitably end up with husbands and wives reflective of their fathers and mothers (sometimes this be baaad if their fathers or mothers are abusive). If not, they haven’t reached their last spouse yet (look out for divorce(s)!) or their marriage doesn’t provide that feeling of oneness. Interracial marriages are either superficial or products of love for novelty. The more you try to be different and rebellious (stop hating yourself, Asians), the more contrived you seem.
64 Pygmy // Dec 13, 2008 at 1:37 pm
Interracial dating and marriage shouldn’t ever been a trendy, popular thing to do; it would dilute the diversity factor. If all marriages in America (okay, not America since the Midwest population is homogenously White)…in California or some other diverse metropolis was interracial, we’d all be homogenously rainbow-colored (no reference to the homosexuals) and downright boring in our lack of cultural roots. Interracial families tend to lack any cultural depth. American hallmarks like eating french fries and becoming obese don’t qualify as rich culture.
65 Asian Orange // Dec 14, 2008 at 12:36 am
Have you noticed, if you see an AF/WM couple.. the AF will almost NEVER look at you in the eyes.
It’s like .. she knows she’s betraying you.
66 The Engineer // Dec 14, 2008 at 1:59 pm
“…and when people mentally assess a situation, they don’t often take percentages into account. Just numbers, and approximate ones at that.”
– quotation of Aoede
“…that women should be submissive to their husbands.”
– quotation of Aoede
“Oh, and The Engineer: fuck off and die in a corner somewhere.”
– quotation of Aoede
The proper word is “statistically” and not the word, “mentally.” It is somewhat curious that you should use the word derived from “mental.” Perhaps, that was a Freudian slip?
The supposed Asian man viewpoint that Asian women must be submissive is an anachronism. Currently, in the year 2008, virtually all Asian men living in the United States of America have been culturally and legally exposed to the environment of equality for women. To foist such a “submissive” viewpoint does nothing more that to perpetuate an age-old, false, and racist stereotype. For an Asian woman to do this is particularly egregious.
But what is worse is the suggestion of death.
Except for you, no one on this commentary forum has suggested death to anyone. The subject of death is clearly incongruous with the topic at hand. Perhaps, Ms. Aoede, you have an unhealthy obsession of death of yourself and others. Are you depressed? Are you harboring thoughts of suicide?
There is help for you.
http://www.suicidehotlines.com
1-800-SUICIDE (1-800-784-2433)
1-800-273-TALK (1-800-273-8255)
Thank you for listening.
67 Krystal // Dec 15, 2008 at 10:52 pm
I feel a little weird about the term “White” (I always have, honestly, it’s a misnomer) so I’m just going to say I’m an American girl with a dad hailing from France and a mom hailing from Russia. Haha. I wasn’t going to reply to this at all, because 99% of the time these topics are BS (to put it mildly) but I’m seeing a lot of intelligent and rational attempts to understand this situation in the comments, so it’s made me change my mind.
For the record, I’m 23, went to a UC school, socal native… I’ve been around Asian kids for awhile. I’m mentioning that because it’s relevant to answering this.
The answer is actually pretty easy and straight forward. Media. Media media media. I’m sure you guys have seen how the media portrays you and it’s not pleasant. 99% of the Asian males I have ever seen or heard of in the news, movies, TV shows, etc. in this country have had 2+ of the following qualities.
- nerd and not in the good way (biochem MS student speaking… nerds are great… this is not the same thing and we know it… moving on…)
- completely physically unattractive in the stereotypical fashion… super pale, flabby or fat, squeaky voices, acne, ridiculous hair, terrible clothing, etc.
- anti-social, awkward, can’t speak if their life depends on it, violent, angry, or so insanely stupid or intelligent that you can’t relate to them in the slightest. But that’s the big issue, actually… you can’t relate to them. At all. Not happening.
- Or you’ve got the Jet Li thing, but he’s the exception to prove the rule. This goes without saying.
Up until recent stuff like Harold and Kumar (which wasn’t appealing to me, but that’s beside the point…), Lost, Heroes, etc. this is all anyone ever saw. Was this done purposefully? Of course it was! Our country is great, but we do have racism issues just like anywhere else. If you remember, up until fairly recently, Asian men weren’t legally able to marry White women. We’ve come far, but a lot of racism still remains in the media. And sexism. And this and that and so on.
Now take that into consideration and think about the demographics of Asians in the US. A drop in the bucket. And where do 99% of them live? In big cities on the east and west coasts, where the people there are generally more exposed to other cultures and people, already, so they’re socially “smarter” in that regard, by default, because of where they live.
That means there is a huge pocket of people in this country who have probably seen 1-2 Asian people in their entire lives and their only experience seeing or hearing from them… the TV. This is bad. And it’s not just a US thing, but let’s not go there. So now you have a lot of girls who, frankly, don’t know any better. They “know” not to believe the TV but on the other hand… they don’t know what is actually reality because they’ve never met any of you. So what are they supposed to think with nothing but a blank slate versus a crapload of horrible stereotypes? Have you ever seen media stereotypes of Americans and other countries and how completely ridiculous they are? Same concept. Lack of personal exposure to a group of people + media being the only outlet of information about that group of people = ignorance about that group of people.
Exposure is everything. I grew up in schools with Asian, White, Latino, Black, etc. kids so I was lucky. Another thing for me, oddly enough, is I’m a big metal music fan and I began liking European metal and then randomly found Japanese metal in middle school and realized that Asian men can be quite manly. Roundabout way of finding out, but hey! Whatever works, haha.
Bottom line- EVERY non-Asian girl I’ve ever spoken to about this (which is a lot, actually, you know we talk about these things, nature of the beast)… the ones who aren’t attracted to Asians just haven’t seen enough. When they see the masculine ones, they’re good to go. They just don’t run into them in their daily lives.
Or the ones they do run into are TOO DAMN SHY. Yeah, I’m pointing at you guys… some of you need to learn how to speak to non-Asian girls. They are EXACTLY like Asian girls, so get over whatever issues you seem to have with this. The self-confidence/sex appeal issue is a self-fulfilling prophecy. Do you think you’re ugly and awkward? Then YOU ARE. Period. So cut the crap, honestly. It’s ridiculous. A lot of girls out there secretly think you’re hot and they think that you are uninterested, so they give up… when in reality, you’re busy twiddling your thumbs or being nervous. What’s the worst that can happen? She’ll say no! Apocalypse now, I know. Stop letting the crappy media dictate your behavior. You’re doing it without even realizing it, you’re letting it win. Do you want that? No.
I hope this helped a little. I’ve dated Asian and White guys in the past and I’ve helped several Asian guys get over their fear of asking out non-Asian girls who they liked (and one of them is now married to the girl, awww). So I’m experienced at this mini-lecture, haha.
You don’t have to be a jackass, or be rude, or pump iron at the gym, or grow a beard, etc. You’re not more feminine than any other group of guys. Asian people in general are not more feminine than anyone else, that’s media BS and anyone who knows basic human anthropology knows it’s a bust. All you have to do is be yourself and someone will like you. But if you don’t express yourself, no one will get to know you! Plain and simple.
Have a good night.
68 Chris // Dec 15, 2008 at 11:52 pm
Krystal, correct me if I’m wrong but basically what your saying is if white women had more exposure to asian guys there would be a more even dating parity?
I really empathise with the idea if you just be yourself you’ll be able to get with whoever you want regardless of race but its not the case.
In terms of exposure its the exact opposite. The more asians in a particular place the even more skewed the dating trend is towards white men with asian women.
Here’s just 2 examples, in San Francisco its 4-1 in favor of wm/af and in Sacramento the ratio is 8 to 1. These are areas where white women have significant exposure to asian men.
I’ve always been a bit dubious of blaming the media as if that were the case black men would be seen as far more undateable than asian men. Portrayed as drug dealers, pimps and bad fathers/husbands yet there are more white women with black men compared to white men with black women although it is rising it’s not even close to parity.
My opinion is the media tends to refect society rather than conjure things up from nowhere.
69 Mark // Dec 16, 2008 at 11:38 am
Aode,
The notion of being “submissive” is anachronistic and the doctrine of absolute “equality” between the sexes is also passe.
The only group still clinging to the false notion that men and women are equal in every way and should be raised/treated the same in every way are only the extremist left-wing feminists who have very little credibility left.
In the battle between nurture vs. nature, science is discovering increasingly that nature cannot be ignored and even trumps nurture in many respects.
Indeed, just a casual perusal of the world around us shows how little women have changed in terms of how they want to be perceived and what they want from men notwithstanding all the modern feminist ideological influence. At the core, it’s still pretty much the same as it has been for thousands of years.
70 Mark // Dec 16, 2008 at 11:40 am
The Engineer,
For some reason, it doesn’t come as a surprise that Asian women in certain age groups have such high suicide rates. I’m not sure why, though… Why do they feel so much angst? And I wonder how AA suicide rates compare with native Asian suicide rates. Young native Asians seem to have high suicide rates in general, so one would have to control for that… I think this might be one part of the puzzle that might help explain why Asian women turn against their own in such high numbers relative to other ethnic female minorities. Moreover, outside of certain groups, “Asian culture” is the least cool and least understood among Americans and other minorities. Perhaps it has something to do with this sense of cultural alienation that drives them to resent their own. One thing is for sure, though: Among all minorities, Asians arguably have it the hardest to fit in as real Americans. No matter all the whining and complaining from Blacks, Hispanics, Arabs and Jews about how they are stereotyped or discriminated against — they have a far easier time fitting into the American landscape than do East Asians. Ironically, Asians complain the least about this and for that also, targeted the most for the butt of racist jokes or comments.
71 Mark // Dec 16, 2008 at 11:41 am
Asian Orange,
AF dating WM will almost never look you in the eyes?? I’ve found that AF dating WM, blacks, hispanics… you name it… they date ‘em… are blase and proud about their supposed “worldly” “untraditional” taste in men. They seem to think it makes them very “cool”.
72 Mark // Dec 16, 2008 at 11:45 am
Chris,
In regards to blacks… you depiction is quite outdated. These days, it’s nearly impossible to find a negative depiction of blacks. In fact, they’re over represented and ubiquitous in the media… and 99.99% of the time portrayed in the most positive light. If you observe the TV commercials, it’s usually the white guy who is depicted as naive, socially awkard and hapless. Women and blacks are always depicted positively. Blacks are in fact lionized in the media. They can pretty much do no wrong.
73 Chris // Dec 16, 2008 at 3:17 pm
Mark,
In Australia there are not too many africans so in terms of commercials the only ad I can think of which had black people in it was this:
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ha1Sz9u11Q
Which was promptly banned as being both racist and false advertising as race does not determine sporting performance.
The American t.v shows we get here like the shield for example shows blacks in the way i discribed above but we don’t get there ads which is where I’m sure they are shown in a positive light as you stated.
I can imagine though with America’s past history towards blacks that it would be a taboo to put them in a negative light or risk being called racist so I don’t doubt that in your area what you say is the case.
74 Krystal // Dec 16, 2008 at 9:47 pm
Chris,
I can’t agree with you about mainstream media being a current reflection of society all the time, emphasis on the word “current”. For the most part, the mainstream media is actually a bit behind what is going on socially within the US culture. I can’t speak for other cultures and countries, but that’s what I think about the situation in the US. I also think that it’s often up to the general population, particularly young adults, to do their part to shift and change perceptions in the media and shame on all of us for not doing it as quickly as we should be. And that’s not even about Asian men anymore, that’s about everyone. There are negative stereotypes about all groups and they hurt everybody.
I also disagree with you about exposure. From what I’ve seen, familiarity generally breeds acceptance and positive feelings. There are a few exceptions- for example, if you happen to have nothing but bad run-ins with an unfamiliar group of people. But chances are, you’ll have both good and bad run-ins with all people, instead.
In San Francisco, did you watch the behavior of the White guys and the Asian guys? I bet that had more to do with the disparity than anything else.
And for what it’s worth, according the US census, there is a huge difference in marriage statistics between US-born first generation, second generation and foreign-born Asian people (makes sense, yes?) and when you break things down, the out-marriage rate for many first and second generation men and women is very close. A couple of groups, like Filipino and Japanese American guys are marrying White women in higher numbers than other Asian women. Why that is, I honestly have no idea.
Honestly, I think you’re being a bit too negative about all of this. And I don’t see how being negative about dating prospects helps anyone when it comes to dating. Another thing to think about is that all these guys who are convinced no non-Asian girl will ever like them are being hypocrites. They’re placing hundreds of millions of girls they don’t know in their country in a box based on what they see on television. It works both ways. If people don’t like the way it works anymore, ultimately, they are adults (I’m assuming) and it’s up to them to alter their mindset.
75 Anonymous // Dec 16, 2008 at 9:59 pm
Although I agree that the mainstream media is getting slightly better in portraying African Americans in a better light, I am afraid that criminal statistics suggest a very different picture:
U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Justice Programs, Bureau of Justice Statistics,
Homicide trends in the U.S., Trends by Race
“Racial differences exist, with blacks disproportionately represented among homicide victims and offenders”
“In 2005, homicide victimization rates for blacks were 6 times higher than for the rates for white.”
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm
And the prison statistics are not encouraging:
U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Justice Programs, Bureau of Justice Statistics,
Prison Statistics
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/prisons.htm
Here is an excerpt:
“…
At yearend 2007 there were 3,138 black male sentenced prisoners per 100,000 black males in the United States, compared to 1,259 Hispanic male sentenced prisoners per 100,000 Hispanic males and 481 white male sentenced prisoners per 100,000 white males.
…”
The qualitative nature of the aforementioned statistics is very well known in the United States of America, and commentators Chris and Mark are correct to note that despite the known statistics, African American men are at or near the top of the dating hierarchy.
The qualitative nature of Asian men is also very well known in the United States of America (some of those qualities I enumerated in an earlier comment), and as all of us have noted, Asian men are at the bottom of the dating hierarchy.
The only parallelism I see is between the depiction of Asian men in the mainstream media and the reaction of Asian females in their dating habits. In other words, Asian females see mainstream media as reality. So, this raises the question: Are Asian females acting rationally when molding their lives after mainstream depictions?
I do believe that the theory — Asian females are generally psychotic — is more than just a piece of a puzzle to the problem; it is the key.
What is the source of this psychotic behavior?
Is the source congenital or environmental?
Is this psychotic behavior treatable?
Is the onset of this psychotic behavior preventable?
These are a few questions we must consider.
Thank you for listening.
76 The Engineer // Dec 16, 2008 at 10:00 pm
Note: that previous Anonymous submission is from me.
77 The Engineer // Dec 16, 2008 at 10:44 pm
“Why Familiarity Really Does Breed Contempt
People’s intuition is that learning more about a new acquaintance will lead to greater liking. In fact, on average, we like other people less the more we know about them”
http://www.spring.org.uk/2008/05/why-familiarity-really-does-breed.php
A few excerpts:
“…
Effectively the more traits participants knew about another ‘person’, the more likely they were to find dissimilarities with themselves, and so the more likely they were to dislike them.
It gets worse. In a fourth study using a similar approach to those above the researchers found that our dislike for others cascades. This means that if we see a dissimilar (and therefore unlikeable) trait early on in our relationship with another, this tends to negatively affect the way we perceive the rest of their traits. So, once we perceive a dissimilarity, it’s all downhill from there. Even traits we might have liked, or been neutral about before, now get the thumbs down.
…
As this study shows, on the vast majority of occasions the less we know about someone the more we are inclined to like them. It’s like the fake student in Moreland and Beach’s study, ambiguity allows us to imagine that other people share our world-view, our personality traits or our sense of humour. Unfortunately as soon as we start to find out more about them, we’re likely to find out how different they are to ourselves and, as a result, to dislike them.
…”
“…I also disagree with you about exposure. From what I’ve seen, familiarity generally breeds acceptance and positive feelings…”
– quotation of Krystal
My advice to you, Chris, is to leave Australia. It was founded as a British penal colony, and nothing good comes from that. It is also very well known that Caucasian Australians hate Asians, and Caucasian Australian women hate Asians even more.
I am sorry. It is a terrible thing to move and being an immigrant again. Another good quality about Asian men is that we take a stand and fight it out, viciously if necessary. We like to stay, settle, and plant roots where we are, but I am sorry to suggest that you should move.
Right now, at the University of California at Los Angeles (UCLA), the “Mozart of Mathematics” Terrence Tao is Chair of the Mathematics Department. He was born in Australia. His wife is Asian. I quite sure he met his wife after he left Australia.
Just something to consider.
Thank you for listening.
78 Chris // Dec 17, 2008 at 2:06 am
The Engineer ,
It is very hard in Australia being an Asian male here in terms of dating and I have to admit and it causes me to feel a strong dislike towards all the white guys I see with Asian girls because I literally see it ALL THE TIME even though I realise I’m being hypocritical because I want to see the reverse.
Your right though I really feel like if I leave im kind of giving up but I saw the same thing in terms of dating patterns wm/af when I went with my dad to Sweden so I don’t think its specifically related to here.
Its funny you mention California as after I finish uni I would love to visit there, what happened to Terrence Tao seems to make it sound even better.
79 Lisa // Dec 17, 2008 at 4:29 am
It’s actually a little frightening to read about Asian males who dislike Asian females for dating white guys! Chris, all I can say is REALLY?
I’ve seen a few posts from Asian girls on this topic, but seems like there’s a lot more posts from guys either Asian or otherwise! I’m not going to wade into social / sexual / evolutionary theory to try and figure out why, but will go with the case-by-case example.
In my case, I’m an Asian girl and I’m about to marry a white guy. *Can feel the radiating hate…*
Why? I guess in my case a combination of factors:
1) Grew up in Malaysia, came to Australia to study, was amazed at freedom and equality given to women. OK, Malaysia is hardly Saudi Arabia, but there’s lots of subtle ways in which women are still expected to be submissive. That whole ‘cook soup for your husband and pick up his dirty socks’ schtick. My dad never helped with housework ever! And no my partner didn’t get with me because he thought I would be submissive – in fact he likes that I have a quick temper!
2) I’m the curvy type, which is I suppose unusual for an Asian chick. I’m an Aussie 10-12 and let’s just say endowed in the chest department. In Malaysia, I was made to feel like a fat-ass-chick. No nicer way to put it. Even with the Asian guys from other countries I met in uni, I was still a fat-ass-chick. But the white guys clearly thought otherwise… apparently I tick off some of the beauty checklist boxes here! So if there are any Asian guys out there sending me the flames of hatred, why wouldn’t I date men who find me attractive instead of men who think I have to be a stick insect to be attractive?
3) Asian mothers. White guys don’t have ‘em – and yes I’m talking about the kinda FOB type who still think their role as future mothers-in-law is to make their daughters-in-law miserable – it’s kind of like an Asian female initiation-into-marriage thing. Are you cooking soup for my precious son? Are you ironing his underpants? And sorry to use a specific example, but as we’re talking about this on a case-by-case basis – a friend of mine is dating an Indian guy and I know his mother dislikes her because she’s Chinese and not Indian. So maybe that’s why fewer Asian females dating Asian males outside their own ethnic group?
4) Regarding not finding Asian males attractive. WRONG! I find a lot of Asian males attractive – seen some real stunners and some guys lower down the scale [no insult to these guys, just to indicate that I wasn't reaching way beyond my means] who I wouldn’t have minded dating at the time. But then they were always with Asian girls of the long-straightened-dyed brown hair- size 6 or less-wears clicky heels variety. Or white girls *lol*. Or they thought I was a too-independent- outspoken-fat-ass-chick. So I guess in these instances, it wasn’t me it was them?
80 Lisa // Dec 17, 2008 at 5:58 am
And btw to the idiot who wrote that afs dating wms don’t look him in the eyes – I’m more than happy to look you in the eye. And while we’re at it, if you want to ‘take it outside’ to settle the issue, I’m happy to do that too. Comments like that are snide, petty, untrue and make my blood boil.
81 John // Dec 17, 2008 at 11:15 am
It’s amusing you’ve written about this because once I went onto this website the first thing that popped up was a advertisement banner about interracial dating and who happened to be the couple? An Asian woman and a White man, of course.
So tell me, where is the banner with the Asian guy and the White woman?
82 Mark // Dec 17, 2008 at 5:48 pm
Krystal,
The only “Asian” men who are outmarrying more than their female counterparts are Indians, I believe.
In general, darker skinned Asian men seem to be perceived as more attractive by American women… probably a spillover halo effect from the positive uber-masculine image that black men enjoy.
By the way, you think that “White” is a misnomer? At least it’s a label invented by Whites to describe themselves. Morover, although many differences exist among Europeans, they at least share an underlying common heritage, culture, religion and alphabet/language.
Now take the label “Asian”. It’s very misleading, vague and even scientifically false.
1. Asia is not a separate continent from Europe. They belong to one continent, Eurasia. The fact that school children around the world are still taught that Europe and Asia are separate continents is an intellectual travesty and points to either covert racism or the power that traditional, classical world views still hold even in modern times.
2. Asians from the Ural mountains to the Japanese Islands to the subcontinent of India to the Malaysian Islands are so diverse and heterogeneous… the notion of even throwing them all under a single umbrella is completely useless and only proves that it is a label given to them by outsiders. In fact, the label “Asian” is really no better than using a term like “Eastern Barbarian”. Indeed, Asians share not a common “race”, culture, history, cuisine, religion, language, alphabet or anything else for that matter. Of course, there are countries that share a common heritage, religious traditions and/or similar racial DNA… but this commonality does not span the entire “Asian” continent and not even across the east Asian Pacific Rim area.
I personally bristle at the “Asian” label because it is a label given to us by Europeans for their own use and purposes; and because it forces me to somehow be grouped together with peoples that I share little commonality with except that we’re minorities and somehow perceived to be “alike” by westerners. And ironically, even “Asians” unconsciously think that all Asians have something in common just because they are all called “Asian”. It’s foolish.
3. The word “Asian” is not only vague, it’s confusing. Sometimes they use it to refer to ALL Asians, including Middle Easterners. Sometimes to South Indians + NE Asians + SE Asians. Sometimes to NE Asians + SE Asians. Sometimes, they even include Pacific Islanders! Hey, why not include native Alaskans and Native Americans as well, then!
Furthermore, “Asian Americans” seem to think that they form a common group of some sort. Of course, the fact that they are not is why “Asian Americans” are such a incohesive, disorganized political block.
So sometimes you see Indians and Chinese get together and discuss AA issues. Or an “Asian” magazine has Indians, Filipinos and Koreans in its pages. Or someone might writes a book addressing “Asian beauty tips”. Or some medical study discovers that “Asians” are such and such. Which Asian exactly are they referring to exactly? Certainly medical professionals know that Asians are not a race, right?! Or maybe not.
You think White is a misnomer? Jeez… Asian is the biggest misnomer of them all!
But for a lack of a better word… I am resigned to say “Asian” this or “Asian” that like an ignorant dope.
83 Mark // Dec 17, 2008 at 6:00 pm
Chris,
- Yeah, that is a pretty racist video.
- Curious, but do you just see AF with WM in Australia? Here in SoCal, I see AF with everyone and anyone. They seem to practice no discrimination at all whatsover. Blacks, Indians, Hispanic, Arabs… doesn’t matter. You’ll see AFs with ‘em. AFs are either the least racist, most open-minded, most koombaya females on the planet… or the easiest lay. But most likely the latter. The common perception is that AFs are easy.
- You’re not necessarily being hypocritical when you want to see more AM/WF couples. I want to see more AM/WF couples as well. Why? Because it would mean that AM are being perceived as normal, regular guys — not some loser, asexual, dork.
In turn, I want to see less AM/non-Asian male couples. Why? Because it would suggest that AFs are dating in a more healthy, normal way — more in line with other ethnic female minorities that practice a healthier balance of dating within their own and without.
84 Mark // Dec 17, 2008 at 7:59 pm
The Engineer,
The adage “opposites attract” and “familiarity breeds contempt” are both superficial observations and can be misleading.
More precisely, “opposites attract”, but only if those qualities are complementary to one’s own.
And the idiom that familiarity breeds contempt has more to do with taking for granted what one already has. It’s the converse to: “The grass is greener on the other side.”
As to having greater media exposure — I agree with Krystal that if more Asian men are seen in various contexts — they will increasingly begin to be seen as normal, regular and just simply “human”.
Of course, AFs in the media are commonplace. Moreover, AF/WM couples in TV commercials have become pretty commonplace as well and needless to say is an insult to AM to the extent that AM are MIA in the media altogether. Fortunately, AM are appearing increasingly more in TV commercials as well now, even coupled with AFs sometimes. No AM/WF couples seen yet, though. Don’t think I’ve ever seen WM/BF couples either or even BM/WF. I was surprised to see a WM/BF couple on the homepage of gap.com. That’s not a union you see very much.
85 Krystal // Dec 17, 2008 at 11:28 pm
Mark,
I know about the “Asian” misnomer, too. I didn’t bring it up since I’m not Asian. You didn’t have to go into all the detail, really. It’s ok. And there are misnomers for just about every group of people out there, so I wouldn’t start trying to list which misnomer is worse because they’re all crap in the end.
Indian American men were actually the most likely to only marry within their ethnicity, that’s not the demographics show. It’s usually the Koreans, Japanese and Filipino men marrying out the most. Again, I don’t know why. All I know is that’s what the statistics say and since it’s a direct source from the US government census site, I would say it’s the most reliable information on the subject that I’m going to be able to find, so I’m going to go with it.
And for the record, there are just as many, if not more, social psychology studies saying that familiarity breeds like and acceptance. Welcome to the world of psychology, haha.
I read pygmy’s post earlier and I just wanted to add that pygmy is a complete moron who sorely needs to educate herself on what American culture actually is and needs to leave her racist baggage at the door. Although, I’m sure many of you picked up on that, yourselves.
86 Chris // Dec 18, 2008 at 12:32 am
Mark
Yea pretty much all AF with WM but as whites are the largest group followed by asian it is hardly suprising.
The other groups you mentioned such as Indians and Arabs tend to stick within their own groups rarely will I see them dating “out” and if so it will more often be the men than women, I attribute this to the male dominance of these groups this sounds really racist but I feel that Indians and Arabs tend to control their women more with their being severe consequences of not dating within their ethnicity at least from what Indian girls have said to me.
As I mentioned before black africans are not common here so I can’t really comment on their dating patterns.
I posted a study near the top of this thread by Columbia university which correlates exactly with what you said in your post regarding AF dating with very little discrimination.
87 Chris // Dec 18, 2008 at 3:11 pm
Krystal
Can you please post the stats you have mentioned regarding both “Koreans, Japanese and Filipino men marrying out the most” as compared to Korean Japanese and Fillipino women as I’m very curious to see how it compares, are you saying the men marry out more? I can imagine them marrying out but I imagine the women would in a far greater number.
You said many studies disprove what The Engineer posted with that study:
“Why Familiarity Really Does Breed Contempt
People’s intuition is that learning more about a new acquaintance will lead to greater liking. In fact, on average, we like other people less the more we know about them”
I looked about and couldn’t find any opposite views if you could send me a link as I’m very interested in both views.
88 Aoede // Dec 18, 2008 at 8:24 pm
1. When I write something, I mean it.
2. Perhaps where you live, all Asian men are enlightened folk. I find that highly doubtful, however. A prejudice does not need to be conscious in order to exist; speaking to my Asian male friends about their hopes for the future, I have found a disturbing trend of casual expectation that the wife will coddle them as their mothers have.
3. Last time I looked I wasn’t you, thank random fluctuations of chance. Please read about psychosis and depression before you make scientifically inaccurate claims.
And your list…
1. Familial piety (i.e. respect for elders and the family unit).
*Familial piety is a tool of oppression. Confucian thought – the reason for familial piety in Asian cultures – places people into ruler/subject dichotomies, ranging from actual ruler/subject to father/son and – no prizes for guessing it – husband/wife.
2. Educational level
3. Income level
I’d like to see some scholarly sources on this. It’s been proven that those who occupy high-earning executive positions tend to be tall white males; c.f. Gladwell, “Blink”.
4. Investment and Savings rate
What the hell? What does this have to do with anything?
5. Law abiding.
Legalistic mindsets are generally not indicative of good partners.
6. Health (including mental stability)
Levels are depressing are high in general among Asian populations, regardless of gender; furthermore, Asians are highly vulnerable to nose-related problems (including nasopharyngeal cancers) and lactose intolerance. I’m not saying this makes us inferior, but that this makes us NOT superior.
7. Industriousness
As far as I can see, Asian guys procrastinate as much as any other, with similar amounts of individual variation. Has your father been feeding you cultural propaganda?
8. Charity
Outside of church, I have yet to see an Asian man volunteer for the sake of volunteering, or else give to charity. Social charity (tact, kindness) are individually based and are not influenced by culture – unless you count enthusiastic superficial compliments, which are a staple of white American culture.
9. Intelligence
What passes for unusual intelligence in Asian men is nothing more than a product of cramming and an education-focused culture. Intelligence, knowledge, and academic achievement are each distinct from the others.
10. Modesty
The very fact that you made this list completely negates even the false modesty that Asian culture imposes.
89 Aoede // Dec 18, 2008 at 8:26 pm
And if it’s not self-evident, please refer to the entry under “Intelligence” for a treatment of the “Educational Level” issue. Good night.
90 Mark // Dec 18, 2008 at 10:28 pm
Aoede,
You obviously have a lot of resentment towards AM and have a sadly negative perception of AM and things Asian.
- Enlightened Confucianism, ie, Confucianism in the good sense, is not intended to oppress ruler over subject or to dichotomize. Dichotomy and dualism is a hallmark of western philosophy. East Asian philosophy (Zen, Taoism, Confucianism) is characterized by nondualism and search for harmony.
Your version of Confucianism is symptomatic of its corrupted form. Enlightened Confucianism is a humanistic ethical philosophy where, for example, the “ruler” attains its legitimacy from its subjects. If the ruler fails to properly rule, then it is thought he has lost the “Mandate of Heaven” and the people have the right/obligation to unseat him. The ruler does not have absolute power. His power is derived from the people.
Moreover, relationships entail expectations and obligations. While children are expected to obey their parents; parents are expected to care for their children. Juniors should respect elders; and elders should look after juniors. There are always mutual expectations. It’s not a one-sided autocratic system of oppression of the strong against the weak; old against the young; or men against women. That, as I said, is symtomatic of corrupted Confucianism.
- AM don’t earn the highest incomes, but on average, earn higher incomes than white men. In the highest echelons, you’ll find more whites and blacks, but the Oprahs, Jordans, Dimons, and Dolls of the world don’t earn enough to bring up the average for their group.
- If you think Asians procrastinate as much as any other… then I guess Asians were all born geniuses… and blacks/hispanics were all born idiots.
- You certainly dismiss whatever “intelligence” AM might possess. It’s all a product of cramming and an education obsessed culture? So I guess there are no naturally gifted Asians? They’re just all crammers? Funny, but this is sort of what college admission officers seem to think as well… and thus pass over qualified Asians for other ethnic groups with lower scores creating a reverse affirmative action program against Asians. And what’s wrong with an education based culture? You think a gangster/hip-hop culture is better?
- Law abiding does not mean having a “legalistic mindset”. Your assertion is completely left-field.
- I don’t have any health stats… but my guess would be that Asians are healthier than non-Asians. Why? Because their traditional diets are healthier. The typical American diet is pretty bad.
91 Mark // Dec 18, 2008 at 10:30 pm
Krystal,
From my past gleaning of the census data, Indian and Filipino men are more likely to marry out. This makes sense since India and the Philippines are more heavily westernized. And they also happen to be darker colored, which American women seem to prefer in their ethnic men. And the Indian/Filipino men no doubt also prefer light colored women.
Anyways, I’d be very surprised if Korean men are among those who marry out the most to the extent that Koreans are usually not naturally dark skinned (unless they tan), and there is extant a large percentage of 1st generation Korean-Americans.
I can see the Japanese marrying out more… since many are 3rd, 4th, 5th generation Japanese-Americans.
Among “Asian men”, the darker the better and the higher up the dating hierarchy.
92 Mark // Dec 18, 2008 at 10:38 pm
Chris,
From what I remember from the US census, the only “Asian” men who marry out more than their female counterparts are Indians. Again, this makes sense given:
1. Indians tends to be westernized and speak English.
2. They prefer light skinned women.
3. American women are attracted to dark ethnic men.
4. American men are not attracted to dark women, unless they think they are “Asian” — not South Asian, but East Asian. So while Filipinos and Malay women might be dark, they still get to enjoy the exotic, hyper sexualized stereotype that NE Asian women “enjoy”. Indian women don’t have the “benefit” of the “Geisha” stereotype that drive western men into a fetish frenzy.
93 Mark // Dec 18, 2008 at 10:48 pm
Lisa,
“It’s actually a little frightening to read about Asian males who dislike Asian females for dating white guys!”
No, it’s not simply because AFs date white guys. It’s because they date non-Asian guys in inordinately high numbers relative to other female minorities and at the same time disregard Asian men as well. The dating habits of AFs are symptomatic of something unhealthy, and it’s frankly an embarrassment.
Now, take a look at your “reasons” for marrying a white guy. Your reasons are actually quite typical in many respects:
1. Western society saved me from my sexist, oppressive native culture.
2. Non-Asian guys appreciate me and think I’m beautiful even though I’m considered quite homely in my native country.
3. Don’t have to deal with the oppressive Asian in-laws.
4. I like Asian guys — they just don’t like me ’cause I’m too independent and have an opinion. I have a brain.
Your reason #1 is cliche and trite and suggests that you have negative feelings about your native culture. It’s actually a stereotype that AFs prefer to date/marry westerners ’cause they’re trying to flee their oppressive native, sexist male-dominated culture whose men are insensitive, want them quiet, submissive and in the kitchen.
In #4 you suggest that in theory you do find Asian men attractive and would date one — except that they are either unavailable or they find you too independent or not pretty enough. If only Asian men could learn to appreciate a smart woman with an opinion and a brain, right?…
And of course, who doesn’t like being treated like a sexy, exotic beauty queen? (#2) And the browbeating in-laws — who needs ‘em (#3)!
And so, because westerners think you’re exotic and sexy, dote on you, don’t come with the in-laws baggage, don’t mind your independence and opinions and even a little (or maybe lots) fat around the waist… and of course, the new-found freedom and gender equality in your newly adopted land is exhilerating… and so it just happened that you are marrying a westerner.
But hey, at least you didn’t mind dating an Asian guy “at the time”. It’s more than it could be said for a lot of AFs who won’t even do that and think they’re so much better.
Your enumerated reasons at first glance all sound very logical and valid. However, when you consider that women from every other non-Western ethnic background can list the same reasons, we find ourselves in the same place: Why do Asian women in particular outmarry/date non-Asian men in disproportionately higher #s relative to women of other ethnic minorities? Why do they in particular vociferously diss their own men? Why do they in particular harbor as much negative feelings towards their own culture as they do?
Are “Asian” cultures/civilizations lacking relative to others currently and/or historically that they should be dismissive/ashamed of their heritage?
94 The Engineer // Dec 20, 2008 at 10:08 am
Well said, Mark; very well said.
Thank you in supporting me in your rebuttal to Ms. Aoede’s psychotic responses. I could have not said it better.
Thank you for listening.
95 The Engineer // Dec 20, 2008 at 10:34 am
Chris. I feel for your situation, and I hope you can find a way to a different place that offers better opportunities.
It is now my impression that you wish to date Caucasian females exclusively. I hope I am wrong, and please correct me if I am. If it is true that you will consider dating/marrying only Caucasian females, then I must refer you to the following weblink:
http://www.nomarriage.com
and suggest that you use Google with the following search string:
related:www.nomarriage.com
(There is no space after the colon.)
The nomarriage website is the most comprehensive source for information regarding the aftermath of dating/marrying a Caucasian female. One would logically think that such a website would be attacked to no end, but surprisingly, there are quite of few Caucasian female contributors within and without that website that have corroborated the information presented.
Thank you for listening.
96 Sook! // Dec 22, 2008 at 8:14 pm
Why is everybody in such a tizzy over this? I’ll admit that the results from the Columbia study were kind of disheartening, but I don’t see why it’s such an issue.
I’m an second-gen AA college student in southern Cali (moved here from Pennsylvania when I was six, so I’m almost native =P) and while I see more wm/af couples than am/wf at UCLA, I don’t consider it a problem. I’ve dated two white girls and a black/pinay, and there’s never been any racial dynamic present.
Y’all are making mountains out of molehills. You need to get out more.
97 G // Dec 30, 2008 at 7:41 am
I don’t really care who Asian women date. It’s a free country. What I’m more worried about is people EXPECTING me to be resentful. It seems the stereotype of “Asian women preferring Whites” created the new stereotype that all Asian males are resentful of it.
I remember a while back a White coworker pointing out a AsianF/WhiteM couple and I was confused and asked “what about them?” He said, “she’s with a damn White guy…”, then he started cracking up hysterically. It took me a while to register what he was implying, but I was taken aback by it once it sunk in.
98 anonymous // Dec 30, 2008 at 8:19 pm
Everyone knows the nomarriage website is a hoax made by a guy who was never actually married, right?
It’s a joke, people. Just giving you a heads up. Anyone who buys into the idea of over 150 million women behaving identically is not only unfit to be married to anyone, but far too stupid to be allowed out of their home where they might hurt themselves and others.
99 Saniya // Jan 1, 2009 at 11:52 pm
Excellent Post, thanx for sharing the same.. Will keep on reading the post
Stumbled your post .. cheers
100 Lonely Asian Guy // Jan 2, 2009 at 3:36 am
Before I say anything, I’ll let everyone know that I’m not resentful, bitter, or angry at all about the topic at hand, I just wanted to chime in, although I am kind of unnerved by some of the ridiculous, almost unbelievable comments by some of the Asian females & racist non-asians regarding this subject and how they diss on Asian men, stupidly. Moreover, I am probably just really sad above anything else with how things are in this society, and how with the odds being where they are, the chances of me being alone are very high (my thoughts on this are reaffirmed even more with some of the responses from some of the females on this board). Sadly, this is just how I feel at this point. Sure, tell me that I lack confidence or whatever you want to call it (a lame cop-out btw), lol, I just understand how things are, I take everything in stride, and I’m very realistic. Every time I hear something retarded like Asian girls who say that they refuse to date/get with Asian guys exclusively really just breaks my heart in general. Not because I am Asian and I am pissed off or bitter about it, lol, I’m just astonished that Asian females would actually say such a thing. How could you actually dismiss meeting a cool person in general just because? You are definitely missing out. Some are even making up stereotypes in their heads for no reason. This happens obviously because in America racism and prejudice is still a big issue between men and women of all creeds, races, and ethnicity’s. I say this though to people who still have a narrow-minded point of view. Everybody is different of course. Race and ethnicity should have nothing to do with anything. Why would you think about what you think your babies will look like if you get with a certain type of person, lol, that is hilarious and laughable. You have no idea what your baby will look like or whether or not it could even have a life-threatening sickness until the child is actually born. Try judging the individual and the character of someone instead of making your own stereotypes and generalizations when it comes to relationships, you might learn something new. In regards to the stereotypes which are probably being thought of me as I’m typing this, I’m 6ft tall, 170lbs, fit, finished college, I love helping people coming from a great Jesuit secondary prep school background focused on charity, kindness, and becoming a man for others. I am from a solid family background and am successful in my own right as well. I could actually retire right now if I wanted to from all the savvy business moves and the millions I made in the real estate game and the stock/mutual fund/municipal bond/& option investments I banked off of before/after despite the big market crash. When other kids were playing video games and trying to hook up with as many people as they could when they were 18, at 18 I was already investing capital, thinking about the future, and early retirement & at 23 years old I am already financially secure, carefree, without any debts or worries monetary wise, which is nice because I can finally pursue my dream of making a difference in this world by joining the peace corps and helping people. I don’t have any insecurity issues or any weird complexes either. I am just a regular chill guy. I will say though that I guess if you had to stereotype me, lol, I am in the “nice guy” category, and I am for the most part shy and reserved to strangers and more outgoing with well known friends and family. So call me a loser if you want, call me a nerd or a geek who doesn’t have the balls to ask out tons of women and play the numbers game, but that is just who I am. If I have to deal with loneliness forever then so be it, oh well.. it’s all good, I do hope that I can meet somebody special though one day who appreciates me for who I am, not what society wants me to be. Women can date or hook up with whoever they want too, it’s their life. But after observing things; ..in this insecure, materialistic, superficial, ignorant, and crazy world that we live where people are rarely original and more fake than anything else, I just hope that things are a lil’ bit better on the other side of the rainbow. Just wanted to give me 2 cents.
Future peace corps volunteer.
-J
101 The Engineer // Jan 2, 2009 at 11:50 pm
Very well said, Lonely Asian Guy; very well said.
You are the embodiment of the very good qualities that Asian men generally have (and are known to have) as I enumerated in an earlier comment.
I will repeat that list again. By any measure, Asian males are generally exceeding:
1. Familial piety (i.e. respect for elders and the family unit).
2. Educational level
3. Income level
4. Investment and Savings rate
5. Law abiding.
6. Health (including mental stability)
7. Industriousness
8. Charity
9. Intelligence
10. Modesty
I believe there is an article by a Steve Sailor posted on the http://www.vdare.com website (which, by the way, is a racially controversial website) that acknowledges many of those aforementioned qualities about Asian men. Even Mr. Sailor is perplexed as to why Asian females find such qualities abhorrent. The Asian female reaction is completely irrational — and the mainstream media know this, capitalize on this, and flaunt this.
I believe your future move to becoming peace corps volunteer is an excellent one. You will meet more people of like mind and outstanding character. I hope you meet a nice girl during your travels.
Thank you for listening.
P.S.: Be sure, regularly and frequently, to watch your money! Stay with Treasury Bills, Notes, and Bonds. Yes, I know the current discount rates are near zero, but our idiotic government cannot do that forever, and when it must reverse itself to address inflation, the rates could very well reach the double-digit values of the late 70′s and early 80′s, and like China, you stand to profit very handsomely.
102 G // Jan 3, 2009 at 10:28 am
So what Asian girls and White guys are clicking,big deal just be happy. stop all the hate, white guys who date asians love them for who they are. Asian women are more down to earth than the MTV wanna’bes with there fake breast and noses.White males are attracted to asian girls because many of them have the same customs as dear old mom. White women dont date asian men because they aint looking for a nice hard working guy they pefer a Thug or drug user to a nice guy,while asian women have respect for hard working and respectful men
103 Lonely Asian Guy // Jan 3, 2009 at 5:25 pm
G, your posts are funny, almost hilarious, I just wanted to comment and say that not every Asian guy is a hater. There are chill Asian dudes like me who are just regular guys, I’ve smoked a lil’ bit of reefer with the friends from time to time, watch sports, play drums, and just chill. I don’t read all the time and have my head in the books, although I’ve always been able to get A’s on everything without having to study at all, maybe an hour of cramming max before the exam, if that (something I pride myself in, i.e. again breaking the stereotypes and forcing people to judge the individual and forget generalizations, for example people think Asian guys just study all the time, lol, funny shit). Most people ridiculously have such a misconception on Asian guys that I feel like I almost have to speak for all the chill Asian guys that are out there and erase all the bullshit stereotypes. The one up personality of some insecure people are so annoying to the point that I don’t even pay attention or respect any cats who have to say nonsensical idiocy. For example, I’m well endowed, yet I have to deal with idiots who still think they can feel better about themselves by saying, (whether serious or joking) that Asian dudes have small penises, lmao. Can you imagine how annoying that is? And it’s just because most people are just insecure and they want to make themselves feel better by putting other people down. It’s fucked up.
I didn’t really want to get into it so thoroughly but while I’m typing, let me just tell you how lonely and hard it is for an Asian guy in this day & age and society. Honestly, it’s probably the shittiest time to be an Asian dude. No love at all, media shits on all of us all the time, racists are everywhere still of course, yet, Asian dudes are just so chill that we never stoop so low and spit any insecure bullshit back.
Now let me get into relationship and females. There are tons of articles and surveys out there who document this subject. With all the Asian-Caucasian couples that are out there, over 75% of the time the husband will be Caucasian and the female will be Asian, not because of whatever prejudice excuse or reason people would want to make seeing this stat, but simply because Asian women are more likely to marry outside their race while Asian men are more likely to want to marry their own kind. This is pretty much true for the most part, I’m Filipino and any special girl that comes along, whatever race or ethnicity she is, I will cherish it and so be it, love is love. But if I had my choice I would probably want to marry another Filipina just because it’s comfortable for all the families, and frankly, I probably wouldn’t like the attention of being an interracial couple in America. I’m just being real.
With this idea, I’ll break down the percentages in my eyes. Already stating that I would rather settle down & marry another Filipina or at least another similiar Asian girl that comes from a nice family, let’s say the pool for Asian girls is 100%. There are Asian girls who refuse to date or get with other Asian guys almost exclusively. This lowers the pool to 50%, maybe even 40% considering the demographics in America. Now after this stat, consider that of course men want it all, we would want a girl that is intelligent, beautiful, great character, and great heart. This is obviously hard to find, so it lowers the percentages again to 25%, now even after that the stat, there are some girls who have schemes and plans and have other goals in relationships & marriage. For example monetary swindling. This is a very realistic fact, the divorce rate is over 65% in the United States and it’s only going to climb higher. There are dudes who get fucked over, have to get a divorce and deal with the hassles of lawyers and the fees that come with it, having half of their assets taken away, and having to pay child support for the rest of their lives, not to mention the emotional scarring. This lowers the pool again to maybe 10-15% of qualified Asian girls that we can choose from, and even then the game is still hard as shit. That’s why chill dudes like me are left in the dust, and I’m tall and a millionaire, but I don’t flaunt my Benz and pop my collar like some other douchebags. It’s funny and sad at the same time. It’s not really that Asian dudes are hating on anyone, were probably just more lonely than anything else. I mean in reality, some people get even more pissed off at this fact, for example white guys who hate black guys for getting with “their” white girls, also black girls who get mad at white girls for taking “their” black men (as documented in the movie Waiting to Exhale). It works both ways homie.
I’ll go even deeper into the subject. This is just an example but let’s take for example Korean girls, I notice this in Cali a lot. Most Korean girls claim that they have to marry in the family, yet there is a loophole because they are willing to get with white dudes, sometimes even in secret, and disregard everyone else. What about the other well qualified Asian eligible bachelors who aren’t Korean and want to see what’s up? I’ll tell you what happens, they get left in the dust.
Phew,
I really wanted to spit some real shit on this topic and I hope that some people learned something new.
Peace,
-Josh
104 anon // Jan 3, 2009 at 6:37 pm
Josh is a good guy. You could be completely broke and without even knowing what you look like, I can think of at least ten non-Asian girls off the top of my head who would love to run into a guy like you. No jokes.
G, quit kidding yourself. White girls are too good for you.
105 E // Jan 6, 2009 at 11:12 pm
It is depressing. It’s fucking miserable… even when you have a girlfriend. That study about racial preferences really did me in…
And when you suffer, you suffer in silence. Nobody in the community wants to hear about it. Asian girls want to keep their options open so they can assimilate and move up in society. Asian guys dont want to be reminded of this horrible “thing”. So when you, as an asian male, live with this indignity, you deal with it alone.
Theres no real way to describe it. I never realized how unique this kind of social burden was until I read the Columbia/Harvard interracial relationship report, and then I realized that it was particular for my ethnic and gender group. The fucking worst?!?!? The shock has turned to real physical, visceral pain!
As a 24 year old male and having had 3 gfs before, all 3 of them being asian, I can say it doesnt matter if you have found someone or not. The fact that as a man, yes a fucking man, you have to live with this indignity… its utterly abysmal and affects your ability to function on a day to day basis, at least for me. Im trying, but Im in a fucking tailspin right now.
I hope this doesnt affect you asian guys out there as badly as it affects me. But when dating is your passion, this is like seeing the possibility of having everything youve ever wanted ripped away from you.
106 G (the first one from post 97) // Jan 7, 2009 at 3:43 am
I want to clarify the second “G” post is someone else… oy, the hazards of anonymous posting…
@G (the second): I have actually seen plenty of AsianM/WhiteF couples (esp. in afluent areas). And the whole “WhiteF like thugs” and “AsianF like respectful”… what are you even talking about? Talk about generalizations… How old are you and what kind of people do you surround yourself with? I’m assuming you’re a HS kid of in you early 20s. Me, I’m in my 30s and people my age (esp. women) are not looking for thugs. People our age are looking for people we feel comfortable with, regardless of whether the person is White, Black, Asian, or whatever. This whole “everyone should be loyal to their own race” mentality is far past obsolete. And so is the notion that the AsianM is undesireable.
Greg (the first “G”)
107 G (the first one from post 97) // Jan 7, 2009 at 4:22 am
@Lonely Asian Guy: I don’t really know what to say, except cheer up. To be honest, I didn’t read all of your posts (just the last 2), so I don’t know your whole situation. But, I’ll say a few things and you may take it however you want. Don’t obsese so much over the numbers, it won’t help you. When you do it’ll only serve as something negative to dwell on. Also, don’t let the “AsianF saying they’ll never be with AsianM” affect you so much. It’s my experience that in the early 20′s, a lot of singles will say stupid things like that. When you reach your 30′s you’ll see a lot of that idiocy die down. Oh, and let me wish you luck on your Peace Corps endeavor. Actually this is a good thing. You will meet new people; maybe someone special.
Anyway, I hope you cheer up.
108 Roger Chan // Jan 7, 2009 at 9:40 pm
Is it so ridiculous to say that extreme interracial marraige will compromise the Asian American community? Frankly I wonder if Asian Americans will exist in a century. How long can we talk about “Asian families” if most of them are mixed? I think it was Malcolm X who said that the quickest way to divide a race is to pit the men against the women. I think that’s right.
Secondly, Asian men resent seeing Asian women with white men but don’t mind dating white women themselves?
So what? I bet black people are unhappy that there aren’t too many black doctors. But would be very happy to be doctors themselves.
If an Asian woman is with a white man, I can’t call her automatically racist, but I will call her privileged. Asian men just want a piece of that privilege. That acceptance. We resent not having that acceptance. But if we get it, we won’t feel ashamed at all.
I would rather see more Asian men with Asian women, than Asian men with white women. It’s about strenghtening the community. Not collecting white people.
109 Mason // Jan 8, 2009 at 3:37 pm
Thank you Sophia. There is no need to read any other comment. The resentment stems from one thing alone: whenever an Asian sees one of those couples, the A-woman is always looking at the Asian guy with disdain, and sometimes feigning fear. And the douchebag short skinny nerdy ugly Whiteguy goes: ewwww, with his eyes.
110 G // Jan 8, 2009 at 7:32 pm
my post are ment to be funny, I get a kick about how serious you people are about interacial dating and any comment that is posted. Ha Ha some of you are going to get heart ailments over seeing a white guy and an asian girl. check out the other G he’s stressing over a internet post lol
I am going to introduce as many of my friends to asian girls as I can, I am going to change the makeup of this whole country. Peace Out Homies
111 vanessa // Jan 13, 2009 at 4:05 pm
This topic is soo weird to me. Both my brothers (we’re asian) have never dated asian girls. One is married to a german/hispanic woman and the other was engaged to a caucasian gal. My best friend (she’s british) loves her japanese boyfriend. So from my personal experience, asian guys can defintely get play from white/non-asian females too. My brothers don’t dig asian chicks because they remind them of me (their asian sister). I think the secret to landing a girl, any girl, is just to be open minded and NICE! Maybe some of you haters should try it! Instead of being so wrapped up in your own insecurities, put down the video game controller and try talking to a girl. I’m just sayin’….
112 Guy // Jan 14, 2009 at 3:24 am
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Asian men have been neutered by the white media for so many years with the stereotype of being sexless, duds, having small dicks, unromantic, not good looking and can never be jocks. As the Asian population increases and more Asian men are involved in the entertainment field like actor John Cho, director Justin Lin and professional sports like Yao Ming in the NBA and Hung Lo in the porn industry more white women will date Asian men and the myth of a small penis is not related to a race but to an individual. Small penises can occur in White, Black, Hispanic, Native American, Asian and Middle Eastern men. Hung Lo has shown that you can’t judge a man’s size by his race…
113 Jinsic // Jan 15, 2009 at 12:28 pm
There are some pluses that come out of asian girls that like white guys or have dated white guys. Assuming they’ll also date asian guys at some point, u don’t have to be particularly serious about the relationship with them and they’re more likely to put out plus there should be no guilt in dumping them. =)
Before anybody says that’s general for all girls whatever or that’s generalizing, I jusyt want to say I’m pointing that for asian or abc girls that like white guys, so there is good to come out of it.
Oh, and pua tactics are more likely to work on these girls too instead of the more traditional ones like F1 students etc
114 Kim // Jan 15, 2009 at 2:52 pm
Guy the fact you even had to post a website about girls loving asian cock (for money)
shows how desperate for white women you are, I find porn gross in itself. That website would have started cause of creeps like you who have some weird fetish for white women but can’t get any. From what I read in that columbia study it showed that asian men prefer white women over asian its just that they were not being accepted by them. You are a perfect example of one of those losers who hate seeing white men with asian women but want to see it the other way around.
115 Jinsic // Jan 15, 2009 at 3:20 pm
mark, i use to be like that. Letting and hoping people know information that otherwise they may not have figure out themselves. Sometimes telling ppl like Aoede and Lisa what they themselves may already know but refuse to acknowledge, believe or maybe they really dont know could destroy the piece of mind they have with what they believe in.
ok, maybe it wont but they themselves will know the reason behind their choices and preferences. even if they misinform themselves, they’re happy with it. maybe their choices will end happily and they’re satisfy with the way they think. maybe they’ll be 50+, single, competing against younger asian women for the same types of men. even so, would they admit they lied to themselves?
how does it feel if someone told u u were living a lie u urself made and strongly believe in? especially something u preach and defended. And I know ppl like linda aoede (maybe they’re the same) feel strongly about this becos they attack with the slightest provocation. they may call it defending, but when were u directly attacked that u urself had to personally hate on another member.
there are a shitload of ppl like josh out there. and this refutes all those weak arguments about feeble, closeminded asians blah blah blah.
im not really going anywhere with this, just my thoughts.
116 Chuck // Jan 17, 2009 at 10:39 pm
Here’s the deal. Asians and white people, we need to get together and start hating on the real d-bags out there. You know who I’m talking about. That’s right – Canadians. Who’s with me?
117 Anonymous // Jan 17, 2009 at 10:49 pm
Nice posts Jinsic,
Yeah, most Americanized Asian women are pretty stupid and insecure in general anyway. They actually think about stupid things like how they can move up in society by dating non-Asians, and having half-n-half babies, lol. It’s like you move up in society by being successful you fucking idiots, lmao. Maybe if you more real and less fake & insecure, the chill Asian dudes would give you a chance and maybe would want to introduce you to their parents. Instead though, most Asian guys just know this fact and they move on with their lives. It’s just assumed common knowledge at this point and most Asian guys don’t stress about it as much as people think. It’s good that non-Asians are taking the whack insecure, inferior complex, pseudo-racist bullshit Asian women off our hands, because us real Asian guys don’t like you anyway. Have fun getting used for sex for some guys Asian fetish fantasy, lol, when he gets tired of you he’ll move on, but knowing how you girls work, you will probably get assets and child support from him anyway, so I guess it works both ways, lol. Fucking idiots…
Cheers to the chill Asian dudes who always keep it real and shit on petty articles/topics like this.
118 anon // Jan 18, 2009 at 12:53 am
asian girls that look down on asian guys are a fucking joke and they know it, they all need to be brought back to reality.. what a waste of semen and child birth, you’re all an embarrassment
119 The Engineer // Jan 19, 2009 at 9:44 pm
For a different perspective, here is an Asian woman who answers the question:
“Why I will Never Date a White Guy: Asian Girl/White Guy Not for Me.”
http://www.xanga.com/somekoreanchick/665117840/why-i-will-never-date-a-white-guy-asian-girlwhite-guy-not-for-me/
It is unfortunate that she seems to be the ONLY ASIAN FEMALE to think that way and publicly state her feelings on the Internet.
I guess not all Asian females are psychotic.
Thank you for listening.
120 Mark // Jan 23, 2009 at 10:56 am
The Engineer,
“SomeKoreanChick” gives me a ray of hope that not all AFs are just clueless or indifferent. She seems to really “get it” and in a very visceral way.
She tells a story about how all her coworkers came clamouring to her office to verify whether in fact it was really true that she only dated AM. How strange, incredible and weird that an AF would prefer, out of her own volition and free-ill, to date AM, they thought, stunned with disbelief.
When Yunjin Kim of “Lost” appeared on The View, she was also asked what kind of men she liked. No, they weren’t referring to personality, looks or anything generic like that. They were asking her about ethnicity. Yunjin replied that she preferred AM and the women of The View appeared a little surprised as well.
This is the sad state of affairs in this country.
There was a prior poster, “G”, who told a related story. A white coworker pointed at a AF/WM couple and laughed, he wrote.
“G” said that he didn’t care who AF dated… that he wasn’t resentful… that he didn’t appreciate the stereotype that as an AM, he was expected to be resentful.
I agree that it’s not healthy to be resentful. But whether “G” cared or not, everyone else is very much aware of what’s going on, and they’re laughing at him and every other male and female Asian. And as long as he is a member of this society he can’t expect to be completely unaffected.
I agree — don’t be resentful. But be aware. Be cognizant that something is not right. And if you can, speak out against it.
Kudos to SomeKoreanChick who speaks out against it all the time from what I’ve gleaned from her blog, even in the face of fawning bananas and other traitors who side against her, and of all places, in Hollywood, the stereotype-factory of the world!
121 Mark // Jan 23, 2009 at 11:12 am
E,
Cheer up.
It can get frustrating reading, hearing and seeing what’s going on, and even more acutely so when you know that it’s one of your own (AFs) piling on top of an already bad situation with their (mis)deeds and self-loathing words, even attempting to rationalize their so-called choices under the cover of love and personal freedom.
But fortunately, reality is (more) local/personal and when you get your focus out of what’s going on negatively in the wider world, you’ll go back to feeling like your better self.
We can know “intellectually” the negative things that are going on around us, but it’s not very healthy to be so “emotionally” aware of those same negative things.
So be aware intellectually that AFs in many parts of the world are pretty screwed up with respect to their “racial preferences”. But emotionally, stay above the fray. Don’t become immersed in the nonsense of what dumb people are doing.
Be aware intellectually. Speak up when appropriate. Try to change things when you can. But emotionally, stay above all the bull. It’s just not healthy to get so emotionally bogged down in “racial politics”.
A personal story:
Many years ago when I started freshman year of college, I remember that I was emotionally pretty neutral about race/racism. Then I took a course in “Asian American” history/experience. My god, I didn’t realize how screwed up my Asian classmates apparently were (many complained of experiencing racism) and how racist society apparently was! I learned (or maybe indoctrinated) that whites harbored negative perceptions towards Asians. “Oriental” was an evil moniker. And Asians faced discrimination and prejudice everywhere.
Personally, I had never experienced discrimination/prejudice from whites. In the rare event something was said, it was always the black/hispanic kids who tended to make racist remarks.
Nevertheless, I went from a normal guy who felt comfortable around everyone more or less to someone who began to second-guess other people’s true thoughts and feelings. I became a little paranoid.
The course, I think, caused me to become overly race-conscious, emotionally. It was unhealthy and something I had to consciously try to throw off.
The point of my vignette is that intellectual awareness may be always good but becoming sullied emotionally with it is not.
If reading about all this AF-self-loathing-dating-habits-nonsense is making you feel emotionally defeated, then stop. Be aware that it exists (somewhere in the back of your mind) but just live your normal life and be the best person you can be. Once in a while, revisit it. But don’t get immersed in it. Of course, if you’re in the fortunate position to change things for the better, then by all means, do it!
122 Mark // Feb 3, 2009 at 10:12 am
From the “Best of Craigslist” — “To the Asian Girl Whom I offended with my Asian-ness – m4w”
http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/lax/979427049.html
123 Fobulosity // Feb 3, 2009 at 3:31 pm
I don’t agree with the stereotype that white girls are better at sex than Asian girls. I think it is that Asian girls are more modest about sex.
Asian women should embrace their sexuality and be more open about exploring ways they can be more sexually active. As an Asian female and I feel that many of us are more closet freaks. If you do go beyond that point and explore other sexual experiences, you don’t have to think that white girls are better in bed.
124 Anonymous // Feb 3, 2009 at 4:04 pm
hey fabulosity the sterotype i heard is azn girls are better at sex than white girls.
125 The Engineer // Feb 5, 2009 at 12:26 am
That http://www.craigslist.org reply is so true.
At EVERYWHERE I have been, I have received the same psychotic treatment from Asian females.
I have given up completely on Asian females. As I have posted earlier, I believe there is enough proof that Asian females are generally mentally ill, and for that reason, we should make special effort to avoid them in all social and business settings.
If I am faced with the situation of choosing a table with a Caucasian female or a table with an Asian female, I ALWAYS choose the table with the Caucasian female. I will approach the table with a smile, ask her politely and confidently, “May I share this table with you?”, wait for a response, and then sit down. This works every time.
While I am sitting at the table and doing my thing with my computer(s), the Caucasian female may need to leave the table to use the bathroom facilities. Sometimes, she may ask me to watch her computer while she is away — that is a clear example of TRUST.
When it is time for her to leave, sometimes she may even smile and say goodbye — that is a clear example of GOOD MANNERS.
Whenever I visit banks, I ALWAYS avoid Asian female tellers. When it comes to money, one cannot be too careful.
I think the choices are very clear.
Thank you for listening.
126 guy // Feb 5, 2009 at 1:24 pm
Check out Hung Lo the first Chinese male porn star fucking white women at shelovesasiancock.com. I hope this website will bring awareness to white, black, hispanic, jewish, arab and native indian people in America that many asian men do have large penis size like Hung Lo and are not always shorter than white men. Look at Yao Ming he is the tallest basketball player in the NBA. Yao has better skills than any basketball player in the history of the NBA that was taller than 7′ 5″ that includes the likes of Mark Eaton, Shawn Bradley and Manute Bol.
There was this fear in the early 20th century in america by white men that asian men were animals, beasts and barbaric because they have large families, very horny and must fuck a lot. The white man then made a concerted effort to dehumanize the asian man to be sexless, unappealing, skinny with buck teeth, short in height with a small penis size so as to protect the white women from cross breeding and having mixed race kids. This disinformation has been constantly circulated in the media (movies, tv, radio, books, newspapers, and magazines) for the last 80 years.
How can so many white people believe these stereotypes for so many years. The late Bruce Lee the martial arts expert and actor is so macho, robust, masculine and is a stud with no buck teeth. Are we to believe that he is uglier than Kelsey Grammer, unappealing, feminine like all asian men, too soft, can’t fuck white women because he is asian, by the way his wife is white. Are we to believe that Yao Ming who is asian has a penis size smaller than Mini Me who is white from the Austin Powers movies. For all those asian men haters out there, wake up and smell the coffee, Porn star Hung Lo is not the only asian man in America fucking white women. Face the facts asian men haters, times have changed and an asian man/white woman couple will no longer be perceived as taboo, odd, a rarity or an aberration but will be seen as mainstream and ubiquitous. A black man is now the president of the U.S. and an asian president will happen in the future.
Keep it up Hung Lo at shelovesasiancock.com
127 Kim // Feb 5, 2009 at 2:11 pm
I posted once before about Guy and I’ll repeat it again since quite clearly you are having trouble seperating porn from reality.
Guy the fact you even had to post a website about girls loving asian cock (for money)
shows how desperate for white women you are.
That website would have started cause of creeps like you who have some weird fetish for white women but can’t get any. From what I read in that columbia study it showed that asian men prefer white women over asian its just that they were not being accepted by them.
You are a perfect example of one of those losers who hate seeing white men with asian women but want to see it the other way around.
Women in porn have one of the highest suicide rates of all professions and scum like you perpetuate their suffering.
The closest you will get to any woman will be through the computer, asian or white.
128 Mark // Feb 6, 2009 at 8:05 pm
Kim,
Why do you have such a problem with some guy who starts a porn site featuring AM/WF? Who cares?
You say that this is fantasy and therefore less legitimate. But all of Hollywood is based on fantasy. The media is fantasy and to that extent unreal. But life and art feed back on each other. It’s not a one-way street. Art does not simply imitate life. Life also imitates art.
I’m not familar with that Columbia study, but I really doubt Asian men prefer white women on the whole for marriage. Sure, at one point in everyone’s life, one goes through stages of various preferences, including white women or tall women or short women or whatever. But for the vast majority of Asian men for the most part of their life, their preference is generally for Asian women. Now, I’m not saying that this is good or bad. Actually, I wish Asian men in America would move away from Asian women a bit so as so to push the stats a bit more in favor of AM/WF pairings.
And perhaps women in porn have the highest suicide rates. But do you really thing that is really the consumers fault? Silly. No, if anything, it must be due to their low self-esteem as a consequence of their low social status. Perhaps if people stop looking down on them so much even as they consume the product women in porn wouldn’t be so suicidal.
129 Mark // Feb 6, 2009 at 8:05 pm
Fobulosity,
Now, why would you write something like that for this particular discussion? Are you as stupid as your moniker?
Thanks for reinforcing stereotypes, Fobulostupidity. I’m sure guys will be pleased to hear that Asian girls, of course you included, are freaks in bed and perhaps thanks to your encouragement, will make it a point to explore their sexuality with increased vigour (as if you weren’t easy lays enough already). Yeah, maybe you’re better in bed… and the massage parlor… and the whore house… than white girls. You certainly have a lot to be proud of. What an embarrassment you are.
130 Matt // Feb 9, 2009 at 4:17 pm
I just read this very popular article by this guy
http://www.modelminority.com/printout1116.html
who ran a dating agency for over 2 decades, he had more than 20,000 clients so I’d trust his opinion when he discusses the issue of race and dating. He mentions the columbia dating thing and his experience seems to match what it says.
Here is a quote I found interesting:
“Overall, women of most races preferred to meet men of their own race. Most Caucasian women wanted only to meet Caucasian men, the exceptions being women who were more educated and well-traveled, who considered themselves somewhat “worldly.”
Of all the races, African-American women were the most insistent about wanting to meet only African-American men. But most of those women excluded black men who had recently moved to New England from Africa or the Caribbean.
The one major exception to the finding that women wanted to meet men of their own race was Asian women, a vast majority of whom stated that they strongly preferred meeting non-Asian men.
The primary explanation offered by most Asian women was that they wanted to be matched with tall men, and they insisted that practically all of the Asian men they knew were short. But when I would ask if they would be willing to meet an Asian man if he were tall, most would simply shake their head and say they would rather not.”
What are your guys opinions on this? Basically any excuse not to date an asian guy will do?
131 Saher // Feb 15, 2009 at 2:04 am
Ok IT makes sense that white women aren’t naturally drawn to asian men when asian guys are in white countries but why the hell is it the complete opposite when white guys go to asian countries. I’ve been all over asia china, japan, vietnam, phillipines, thailand and all I hear is how they have the fair skin, large eyes, straight nose so goodlooking bla bla bla. It has no reason. The media is dominated by locals not by whites so its not like in the US where whites talk themselves up.
132 The Engineer // Feb 17, 2009 at 9:41 pm
“…But when I would ask if they would be willing to meet an Asian man if he were tall, most would simply shake their head and say they would rather not.”
What are your guys opinions on this? Basically any excuse not to date an asian guy will do?”
– quotation of Matt
“…I’ve been all over asia china, japan, vietnam, phillipines, thailand and all I hear is how they have the fair skin, large eyes, straight nose so goodlooking bla bla bla. It has no reason. The media is dominated by locals not by whites so its not like in the US where whites talk themselves up.”
– quotation of Saher
The two basic answers to both questions:
1. Asian females are mentally ill.
2. Racial double standards exist the world over.
In an earlier commentary, I made reference to a study that concluded that the suicide rate for Asian females is the highest than that of any other demographic. I then suggested that Asian females have the highest rate of mental illness, due to the highest rate of suicide. So far, no one has even tried to challenge this (well actually, there have been a few Asian females here who have decided to use the age-old tactic of throwing Asian male stereotypes at us — that tactic is actually pathetic because all the Asian female is doing is copying the behavior of Caucasian males.)
In the case of citing height as a reason for not dating Asian males, the Asian females are only trying to deflect the obvious hypocrisy — a hypocrisy that they have readily adopted from Caucasian Society. Asian females feel perfectly comfortable with their new found hypocrisy and are fond of using racial double standards — much like Caucasians have no problem being overtly or covertly racist toward Asian men and forcing their racial double standards on us.
In the case of foreign media and the influence of Caucasian Society, I believe the local media are only interested in making money rather than being interested in providing fair, unbiased representations of people. In other words, Caucasian Culture sells — and sells well. True, it has no reason, but it reinforces my original theory that Asian females are generally mentally ill.
Thank you for listening.
133 The Engineer // Feb 17, 2009 at 10:03 pm
Here is an example of a very psychotic Asian female widow who was not satisfied with marrying a Caucasian, but she had to take up residence (“shack up”) with another Caucasian, and throughout it all, she finds a perverse comfort in imprisoning, starving, and mentally and physically torturing her nephew, whom this Asian female adopted as her son:
http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/crime/article975295.ece
By the way, it is obvious that the boy is an Asian male.
Thank you for listening.
134 AnotherAsianGuyHere // Feb 18, 2009 at 3:23 am
To Saher:
Not sure when or if you’ve been to Korea, but I can tell you, that the standard of male beauty is DEFINITELY not white. Not anymore. Not with the immense popularity of kpop and kdrama (and to a significant degree Jpop) with guys from dbsk, suju, shinee, big bang, etc., and dramas like boys over flowers. And with most korean american girls I know (btw 16-25), it’s the same thing bc of this surge of korean pop culture.
In fact, if you polled all the 16-25 females in Korea about the male celebrities they found the most attractive, I would be VERY surprised if there’s even one non-asian guy in the top 50. And there are even many male stars now with very small eyes like Rain, DaeSung, and Lee Jun Ki and the girls go crazy for them.
Even in America, things are changing. On youtube, you have guys like nigahiga and kevjumba, in primetime you had Jack Yang, Will Yune Lee, in reality shows there was Yul Kwon and now Victor in The Amazing Race, also Harold and Kumar, and there’s a high profile chick flick where one of the white female leads has an Asian boyfriend and they are shown being intimate. There are many more examples, but you get the idea.
There are of course numerous obstacles yet to overcome, but I believe things are slowly but surely changing. And much of the credit goes to those Asian American men AND women who worked their asses off, put themselves in positions of influence, and are now changing the paradigm from within.
To the Engineer:
thanks for the link to SomeKoreanChick’s blog. Believe me, she is definitely not the only Asian girl who feels that way. Nearly all of my friends who are girls feel EXACTLY the way she does. They will only date or strongly prefer to date Asian men. And I think a large part of the reason is because now, as SomeKoreanChick suggested, there is a strong alternative to the white dominated American media. You should go check out allkpop, popseoul, and soompi.com. I think you’ll be surprised by how many Asian girls feel the way SomeKoreanChick does.
135 Matt // Feb 18, 2009 at 9:27 pm
AnotherAsianGuy im glad korea has managed to hold out from this white guy thing for as long as it has. Unfortunately I dont think this deter the american media from attempting to penetrate korea.
Korean Attitudes Towards Interracial Marriage
http://foreigndispatches.typepad.com/dispatches/2006/04/korean_attitude.html
‘Bien-Aller, a Seoul-based matchmaking company, conducted the survey looking at 580 single women and men about interracial marriages via the Internet on April 3-10.
In the survey, 54.2 percent of men replied that they are positive about having foreign spouses, while 52.9 percent of women said that they would marry foreigners.
All well and good, but what I found most striking was the following:
However, the findings show that Korean women have a preference for white men over other races, with 62.1 percent choosing a preference for natives of the U.S. or European countries.
Meanwhile, 73.4 percent of Korean men answered that they prefer Asian spouses who have something in common in terms of race and culture.’
Although these are not extremely positive for asian men they are significantly better compared to other asian countries. I believe that the focus on blood purity in korea has helped contribute to this. The main threat I see to this is the anti-racism message in american media filtering through to korea. Now talking from real life experience korean women are some of the most racially aware women i’ve met, so this study makes sense to me. Thoughts?
136 AnotherAsianGuyHere // Feb 19, 2009 at 1:46 am
To Matt:
Actually, all the Asian men who feel depressed about their situation should probably read the following article:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/30/AR2006083002985.html
It’s about the hallyu (Korean wave) phenomenon that’s spread throughout Asia. So why are all of these countless millions of Asian women literally lusting after Korean men and not white men? These women have access to western pop culture, but they’re attracted to Korean men in overwhelming numbers. So why is this?
I think the answer is pretty clearly stated in the article. And if other Asian countries find the magic formula and start producing their own versions of kpop and kdrama, I think you’ll find that the 62.1% statistic that you cited will drop dramatically in favor of Asian males. That is the power of media.
And as well all know, right now, in America, the white males have almost all of it. But, like I mentioned, it is slowly changing.
And for those who think white women or Asian american women won’t be affected by positive portrayals of Asian men, I couldn’t disagree more. I mentioned a few of the popular websites for Kpop/drama stuff. Most of the members are Asian American females, but you’ll also find a significant percentage of non Asian girls and women.
The Hallyu phenomenon is also spreading to South and Central America and parts of Europe. K dramas are also popular in Iran and Israel of all places (maybe this is the answer to peace in the Middle East? lol)
Anyways, I strongly prefer to date Asian girls and I don’t see a shortage of hot ones who are into Asian guys. To be honest, it’s kind of sickening to see a few of the Asian guys around here dump on all the Asian/ Asian American girls. Most of them aren’t like that. Not in my experience anyway. And the few who are like the kind that SomeKoreanChick blogged about? Well, I was gonna try to write something diplomatic, but I can’t. I agree. They’re idiots.
137 Petunia // Feb 19, 2009 at 9:56 pm
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138 art81monk // Feb 27, 2009 at 7:27 pm
My wife and I are asian/asian couple, and we have plenty of white men/asian female couple and asian females who have recently divorced from their from white husbands. But on occasion, I have personally experienced scorn and arrogant comments from asian females who have white partners. I don’t look down on asian females by any means, but I absolutely cannot stand asian females who look down on other asian males because they think whites are somehow superior, because it’s baseless and based on strange, uneducated ideas.
139 That Dude! // Mar 17, 2009 at 9:13 pm
Asian women need to read “White Mans Burden” by Rudyard Kipling. Its about how colonial minded white people view non-Whites, specifically S.E. Asians, as racially inferior and how its white peoples right to rape and pillage Asians and their land. They call Asians “Half-Devils.” It was written in the 1800′s. Please read it.
Also watch the movie “Rabbit Proof Fence.” Its a true story about how “white” government tried to get rid of non-white by “breeding them out of existence,” meaning: white people had a right to rape non-white women.
140 AznDude // Mar 22, 2009 at 2:19 am
nice article. but i dont actually resent asian women for dating white males. quite the opposite
i absolutely detest the white male for dating the asian female…. that pisses me off.
stop stealing our women u f**ktards!!
everytime i see an interracial couple (wm/af), it infuriates me. f**k this world full of douchebags and moneyhungry whores! cmon azn’s, whites r not the superior race, that’s all bullshit!!
141 mk // Mar 23, 2009 at 1:04 am
hmmm…..a ‘thai dating’ website advertised on this website? the majority of the people responding to the poll above are non asian? crazy…anyway, i don’t discourage interracial dating….or the freedom to choose who to date. i DO ‘hate’ on self-loathing, whiter-than-thou asians (females and males) in denial of how effed up their perspectives can be….
142 George // Mar 23, 2009 at 5:41 pm
White women, particularly the racist ones need to read this:
http://mainstreambaptist.blogspot.com/2009/02/on-chinas-stake-in-us-treasuries.html
Its about how the Asians are slowly but surely controlling the white people financially view non-Whites, specifically the Chinese, who view the whites as racially inferior and how Chinese peoples are beginning to pillage white peoples and the land they stole, particularly in the US. The Chinese used to call the white barbarians. This article was written within the last year. Please read it.
Also read about apartheid in South Africa. Its a true story about how “white” government feared that the non-whites were getting rid of them by “breeding them out of existence,” meaning: non-white people were raping non-white women. Also look at the conservative party manifesto in the UK which is concerned about white people being bred out of existence through mail order brides from Asia and their proposals to restrict mail order brides, particularly those marrying white men. Read Migration Watch’s agenda on this issue.
143 George // Mar 23, 2009 at 5:45 pm
“Ok IT makes sense that white women aren’t naturally drawn to asian men when asian guys are in white countries but why the hell is it the complete opposite when white guys go to asian countries. I’ve been all over asia china, japan, vietnam, phillipines, thailand and all I hear is how they have the fair skin, large eyes, straight nose so goodlooking bla bla bla. It has no reason. The media is dominated by locals not by whites so its not like in the US where whites talk themselves up.”
Here in Hawaii the Asians are a majority just like in the Asian countries you mention. There are a lot of Asian male/white female couples here unlike in the mainland. Why? Simple. Asians hear have self respect and dont give deference to white people, whereas in Asia, the locals have no self-respect, and worship white skin. The moral of the story is simple: if you have self-respect whites will respect you. If you put whites on a pedestal, they will sit on top of you. As simple as that!
144 George // Mar 23, 2009 at 5:49 pm
“Of all the races, African-American women were the most insistent about wanting to meet only African-American men. But most of those women excluded black men who had recently moved to New England from Africa or the Caribbean. ”
Black women are partly responsible for pervasive racism in this country. There are nearly three million unmarried black women in this country who want to get married. If they really wanted to get married to a black guy, they will not make any distinctions between African Americans and foreign blacks. They would be marrying foreign blacks in large numbers and bring them and their families to this country, making whites a minority sooner than 2042! For racism to end in this country, whites have to become a minority..a necessary but perhaps not a sufficient condition!
145 Pft // Mar 27, 2009 at 3:23 pm
Okay, why are AM so worried about interracial dating being a threat to their race? There are tonnes of Asians in Eurasia. Okay? Over 1 billion strong. The idea is just laughable.
Engineer, stop hating on Asian women, you seem to be against generalizations against Asian men but you generalize as well. Oh wait, is there a special law that states that you are allowed to rail against AF? but strike em down if they speak an evil word against you? … Just… all your posts are loaded with hypocrisy.
146 Thought on the issue // Mar 27, 2009 at 6:11 pm
After reading alot of these posts lots of guys here are deluding themselves. This idea of when china becomes a global power women will flock to asian guys? Japan has been a dominant global power for years yet in japan there is way more white guy asian girl, my estimate is around 10:1 although thats being conservative its likely much higher, japan is no crappy south east asian country where women are trying to get a better life. The living standards there are in fact higher than many western countries. The same scenario plays out in many developed asian countries e.g Taiwan, Singapore, Hong Kong.
I think its more to do with individual races characteristics, possibly natural selection at play as women make the final mate selection based on the best they can get. If it was to do with power than black guys would be getting no action from white, asian, latina women which clearly isn’t the case. Off the top of my head I can’t think of any powerful black countries and the only latin one I can think of is Brazil but thats more mixed.
To George I went to Honulu just last december and I saw alot more white guys with asian girls than the opposite, to say there is alot of asian guys with white girls is an exageration to say the least.
147 Ghengis Khan // Mar 30, 2009 at 12:39 pm
i dont’ mind if asian girl date white guys. just as long as they dont date jews.
148 EuroGoddess // Mar 30, 2009 at 3:30 pm
I’m an E. European-American in my 40′s. I’d date an Asian male IF he was well educated and liked architecture, classical music, and fine food. (I’m not wealthy, just like all things beautiful.) I’d go out with Yo-Yo Ma in a second, or an Asian Indian male. That is–as long as they are warm, loving, affectionate, and passionate. Unfortunately, I sense a certain “cold as a fish” persona from many Asian males. Just being “sexual” is not profound enough. When I think of Asian male characteristics, loving, warm, kind, and passionate (in the Western sense) are not what come to mind–and I don’t know why that is. (Maybe the media can help with this! I’ve read the other posts!) Sure, if he’s live in Europe or the U.S., it may be more likely to be in his blood; but I usually perceive Asian males to be intelligent (very book smart), good providers, and good members of society. There are now more educated Asian males than ever (in California)–which is great as long as they are also cultured. But if all they like is baseball, computers, and one-night stands, (which is a lot of what I’m seeing in younger males)–no thanks.
I have a Caucasian female friend who’s married to a Chinese male, and she’s miserable–waiting for the kids to grow up to get a divorce. Her husband treats her very badly. He doesn’t respect her and treats her like a slave–just wants to to cook, clean, wash, take care of the kids and to service his needs–the word love doesn’t enter into the picture. I think she got married because he seemed so stable and would be a good husband. If this is an indication of marriage to an Asian male, it’s no wonder this would not be desirable. By the way, masculinity is not desirable to everyone. My French beau cooks, cleans, sews, and plays guitar–not macho at all, but we had a 4-year love affair. (Marriage is a social institution that I find unnecessary.)
I’ve heard this same thing from most of my Asian girlfriends–to marry a Caucasian male has always been considered a step up to the top of the social ladder. Maybe that will change in the next 10-20 years. There are gold-digging females in every race who consider husbands to be their bankers (and until women can support themselves, they will continue to look at things this way).
I’ve asked my Caucasian male friends why they married a Asian (usually Chinese) girls. Their answer? They’re more submissive (sexually–I guess that’s compared to liberated American females), and they will marry them and take care of the housekeeping chores and the children, whereas Caucasian females are more into their careers and themselves. Heck, if Catholic females (I’m spiritual, not religious) consider giving head to be wrong or immoral, there are plenty of other females (from non-American cultures) who have no qualms about that being part of an intimate relationship!
My Caucasian girlfriends have all said that if a Caucasian male is going out with an Asian female, he must have a small sex organ and therfore wants a petite, submissive Asian female. There’s a taunt for Caucasian males!
Basically, it all comes down to getting your needs fulfilled–whether it’s physical, social, or psycological. Different strokes for different folks.
For me, men who are 5’6-5’8, bald, and wear glasses, and are a little overweight…but have an intelligent mind and are affectionate and sensuous–that fits the bill for me. Earnings-wise, they should earn as much as or more than me (an average income).
So Asian guys, be positive about your uniqueness…there’s someone who’s looking for what you have to offer. But make yourself lovable. Be kind, intelligent, loving, fun to be with, and respect women as equals. Then you’ll deserve a goddess of love who will adore you as her god of love. A little pollyanna-ish, I know, but positive thinking has always gotten me what I asked for. Wishing you love and happiness!
149 EuroGoddess // Mar 30, 2009 at 5:09 pm
By the way, there’s a group on MeetUp.com called “The Bay Area Yellow Fever Group” – for Asians & Caucasians. Not just anyone can join–it’s marked private–guess they’re selective. Sounds like it’s Asians & Caucasians who want to meet. You may have to fill out a profile on Meetup.com first (free) and request to be invited.
150 Anonymous // Mar 31, 2009 at 3:29 pm
“My Caucasian girlfriends have all said that if a Caucasian male is going out with an Asian female, he must have a small sex organ and therfore wants a petite, submissive Asian female”
So they subscribe to the idea asian males have small penis to suit asian females. Unintentionally you just demonstrated what the vast majority of caucasian females think of asian males.
151 Anonymous // Apr 5, 2009 at 5:30 pm
Fuck being PC truth is out here in San Francisco you will see more Asian females with white men than Asian females with Asian men. You will almost never see Asian men with white women. Why? Because white men love to use Asian women for sex. There’s an Asian massage parlor on every corner and white men go in and out all day. I know I work across the street from one and see these men go on their lunch break.
Asians have been brainwashed by the white media that white features are better and the parents agree. Never marry or date black, or latino but White is great! Having a white guy on an Asian arm is always a prize for the Asian sellout whore. By the way the media does not portray Blacks in a good light at all. Are you kidding? Blacks and all people of color have been demonized by the white media which is why everybody is scared of Blacks and why people think us Asian males are weak and feminized. Get a clue, the Media makes everybody look bad but the white man and Asian women love it. Fucking sellout sluts.K
152 Jessica // Apr 6, 2009 at 6:47 am
The Columbia study (and any dating service study) is misleading because there’s a huge confirmation bias going on.
Most (normal) Asians don’t use a dating service. They’ll using their network of friends, acquaintances, and general ethnic community to find a partner.
So the ones that do sign up for a dating service are usually looking for a specific type.
Also a recent article in the NY Times stated that the interracial marriage rate for Asian Americans has dropped by 10% over the last decade or so.
* * *
As an Asian girl who also ONLY dates Asian guys, I can sympathize with your frustration.
However, please don’t generalize all Asian women because I would say the vast majority of us love our Asian men
153 Anonymous // Apr 9, 2009 at 12:57 am
As a white guy dating an Asian woman it’s interesting to see the fact that we’re getting hated on without me ever realizing it.
I also didn’t realise there was so much resentment towards the white community in general! I guess it’s weird because I live in a pretty diverse area and have really close friends of pretty much all races and thought racism was pretty much over with.
Always interesting to see other people’s perspectives though, keep up the good work.
154 Anonymous // Apr 10, 2009 at 11:25 am
Some women aren’t meant to be tamed. They just run wild until they find someone just as wild to run with them.
Asian guys are nice guys and most women in general don’t go for nice guys. Nice guys are for friends. Not to say you need to act like a douchebag but women will always go for the guy with a fire inside rather than the boy-next-door.
That’s my theory anyways.
Now, personally, even white guys think I’m weird..but that’s another story.
155 J.J. // Apr 12, 2009 at 8:17 am
I was married to an asian woman. Since my divorce I have heard white men say “only guys with small dicks date asian women” and white women say “white men date asian women because they can’t get a white women to go out with them”.
I look around and every black man I see has a white woman on his arm. I don’t care.
I will always prefer an Asian woman because they petite, brown and sexy! White women are sexy untill they turn 25, then they explode into an unrecognizable blob of cellulite and ass fat! When a man complains he’s called a shallow pig.
A note to Anonymous 4/9/09, I live and work in suburban Mn. and can tell you racism is alive and thriving! I see and hear it every day.
A note to Asian woman, Keep up the good work. You are beautiful!
A note to asian men, Keep up the good work! find yourself an Asian wife and make a lot of asian babies. Preferably girls! Us white guys will need them because all the fat ass white women are with the big dick black guys!
J.J.
156 The Engineer // Apr 12, 2009 at 6:37 pm
Well, PFT. Perhaps you would like to elaborate? Have I said anything that was not true? Have I touched a nerve in you?
We are trying to find a solution to a very intractable problem. The first step is to describe accurately the problem.
A tragedy:
http://www.rjkoehler.com/2009/04/11/ethnic-korean-woman-shot-to-death-after-car-chase/
Most of the news channels have removed the pictures of the incident. There was Internet site that posted a picture of the daughter in the arms of a police officer. The daughter had light brown hair. Enough said.
Continuing theory: Asian women are generally psychotic.
Thank you for listening.
157 Just a thought // Apr 14, 2009 at 8:54 pm
If your penis size is defined by who you date would that mean that a black guy dating an asian girl has a small dick, would this mean that an asian guy dating a black chick has a big dick? Its just stupid. People who use race as a major factor in choosing their partners are morons and should not be allowed to breed for the benefit of humanity, be this the white chick who thinks she’ll have street cred by dating a black guy or any of the other stupid sterotypes out there.
158 Anonymous // May 1, 2009 at 3:14 am
Agreed ^
159 June // May 1, 2009 at 10:29 am
As an asian woman dating a white man, I have felt the resentment and judgements many times. Enough times for me to write a post on it. Here is the link:
http://shetalkslikejune.com/?p=143
160 Heather // May 17, 2009 at 11:19 pm
I think white women have the short end of the stick on this one:
1) Women tend to be more competitive with each other than men.
2) Asian and white men are fighting over asian women.
Not that any one cares it seems, but the deep, undefinable aching that some of the male asian commenters mention is shared by some white women, as well. We are not fine-boned, and we don’t come equipped with ultra-feminine or submissive stereotypes,* we have freckles, our hair comes in a variety of less-than-silky-perfect textures, and so on. It’s not fun to see members of your same-race dating pool choosing another race for reasons that you truly cannot change (please, I am not white trash; I am Ivy-League educated). So look, you might have empathy for me because I’m not an asian male, but I want to point out the equally real, mirror side to this phenomenon.
* I love that some people above note that asian women prefer white men in part because of the lower expectation in white culture that they need to be submissive housewives – freedom that white women have struggled to carve out over the last century. Now we’re the “unfeminine” bad guys, while white men reap the reward.
161 The Engineer // May 24, 2009 at 2:54 pm
Oh, another suicide by boyfriend.
“I choked her during sex, Gary McGurk, suspect in NYPD criminalist Michelle Lee’s murder, told cops”
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/05/23/2009-05-23_i_choked_her_during_sex_gary_mcgurk_suspect_in_nypd_criminalist_michelle_lees_mu.html
Thank you for listening.
162 Aoede // May 25, 2009 at 6:00 pm
An extremely short statement, because this is really getting ridiculous:
My point is not to denigrate Asian men. My point is that Asian men are men like any others; therefore, my arguments are all directed at debunking The Engineer’s offensive and baseless thesis that “Asian men are superior”.
I’m sure that The Engineer has made further such posts since I read this comment thread, but given his tendency to rely on anecdotal evidence and condescension, there’s better uses of my time.
163 A large fat man // May 27, 2009 at 6:27 pm
Hmm, my cousin is married to a Korean man and they have two very cute children.
How did he win her heart? I’m not sure, but he does play the violin very well.
164 brd_ mar // May 31, 2009 at 9:34 pm
more krystal.
165 bleedblue // Jun 4, 2009 at 10:03 pm
I’m an asian girl. To be honest, it’s not that I wouldn’t date an asian guy, in fact, some are very appealing if they take good care of themselves. It’s just the mutual attraction factor. I can’t speak for all the asian girls out there, but many of the guys I’ve liked, a good number of them asian, just don’t like me back enough. Some of them only like white girls and others just don’t like me because I’m “not what they’re looking for.”
Over time, I figured that maybe asian men are less flexible about what their “type” is than white men. I eventually came to resent asian guys for this assumption, but have been trying to not be that way. They also tended to treat me poorly in junior high and high school, like I was some sort of weird non-entity because I didn’t like the things that most girls were into and relatively kept to myself. Asian boys would also call me horrible names. Sometimes I went home after Chinese school, crying. I actually never had any nice interaction with them until college. Only white guys ever really noticed me enough to have some decent convo with me in school before life at UCI.
All in all, I think it’s just a big misunderstanding, but it seems easier for most people to blame others for their unhappiness than to talk about it. Most girls, like me, want to be treated well and like they’re wanted.
166 wesley // Jun 11, 2009 at 11:42 am
If you think Asian men date white women as commonly as Asian women dating when men then you are complely wrong. What planet are you living on, Ryan? Satistics show that 70% more Asian women date white men than Asian men date white women. Is that just a coincidence or don’t you think that there is something more underneath all this.
If Asian men were dating white women as commonly as Asian women dating white men then I wouldn’t have a problem with it. But that is clearly not the case. I think SELF HATRED has a lot to do with it. Not for all but I don’t think you can deny that it does have some effect. Why do you think these Asian women are getting double eye lid surgery to make their eyes bigger? It’s because they want to look more white. Of course they are not consciously thinking that but it’s more subtle and subconscoius. They were probably teased growing up about their slant eyes by white kids. So they think if I am more white than I wouldn’t be put through this kind of ridicule.
I’ve heard an Asian girl say, “I want my children to be beautiful so I”m going to marry a white boy.” That’s saying that she can’t have beautiful children with people of her own kind because she doesn’t look at being Asain as beautiful. Again, she’s hating her own people.
Asian women who marry white guys think they are moving up in society when they are with a white guy.
I would also say that many of the Asian girls that I have seenwho date white guys are EXTREMELY WHITE WASHED.
Your average looking white guy can get a really good looking Asian girl but your good looking Asian guy can only at best get an average white girl. And it’s easier for an Asian girl to get a white guy than an Asian guy to get a white girl. I am generalizing but I think there is truth in everything that I am saying.
I am not bitter or resentful at white guys dating Asian girls. I am bitter and resentful for the reasons why they do it. I cant’ stand Uncle Tom Asians who are filled with self hate. Not all Asian women who date white guys are filled with self hate but I just don’t think it’s a coincidence that more and more Asians are dating white guys.
167 azulee // Jun 20, 2009 at 2:03 pm
Hey, it seems like you guys haven’t noticed that there are more and more wf who are more attracted to am than to wm.
168 Bla // Jun 22, 2009 at 8:48 am
For all you “successful” asian guys who claim that your white girlfriends are better than asian girls, it’s so obvious that you are saying that in vengeance to asian girls.
Most white guys with an asian girl already had at least one white ex girlfriend and we know damn well what white girls are like through years of experience. Asian girls are simply unmatched, they could be doing something completely boring and it still seems so exotic or cute. Not to mention a lot of them have strong values and high ambitions.
In fact, I am more jealous of asian guys with an asian girlfriend than an asian guy with a white girl. When I see an asian male and white female together, I always think kudos to both of them for breaking stereotypes and maybe that white girl isn’t a whore afterall, but white women will always be #2 on my list. Plain-ole-white bread like me, no thank you!
And what’s with black guys and asian girls? Why are they always trying to avoid being in proximity of a single white male or female? What are we, kryptonite?
169 yep its true // Jun 25, 2009 at 6:38 pm
i feel in love with asian men by watching kdrama and kpop. korean guys and east asian guys are the hottest guys on the planet. nothing beats single eyelids in sexiness to me!!!
aish, i get all horny around asian guys, its getting sick lol, you guys are so sexy!
170 Asian ABC // Jun 26, 2009 at 11:24 pm
This is probably a stereotype, but I’ve noticed that overall asian women who date white men tend to reject and look down at the asian culture. On the other hand, asian men who date white women tend to still accept the asian culture.
I am an asian man who lived in Hawaii, California, and Texas. All I can say is that Hawaii and California is junk because it’s always the same B.S. of asian women with white men.
But in Texas, I see much more of the other way around: asian men with white women. Not only that, but the asian women are nicer too. I myself can chose between asian women and white women. I feel like a king in Texas! This is why I like Texas more depsite its 100 degree weather and smoggy oil factories.
171 Small Feet // Jul 3, 2009 at 1:37 pm
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9142171923095749295
Check out this documentary. Its talks about this very topic. It explains why Asian women date white guys, dye their hair blonde, get eye lid surgery, and have lower self esteem than any other group . thanks.
172 john // Jul 10, 2009 at 5:27 am
I finally came to the conclusion why Asian women are stereotyped as submissive, obedient little sex fiends. Because, asian pornstars starring in porn movies in america are actually the ones reinforcing the negative stereotype. They are involved in disgusting demeaning acts like rape and bondage in scenes, they would personally claim that they love white guys and disrespect asian guys. These bitches sell their souls and body to buy their temporarily short term future. That has negatively impacted asian society as a whole, it has caused all sorts negative stereotypes of asian american. Think about it white males in america are the biggest consumers when it comes to porn b/c of the 60-70% of Americans are white. I believe these stupid consumers would be subconciously affected by the amount of content they are exposed to of asian women being portrayed as erotic sex dolls and they may see that as reality.
Asian men need to step up their game, and try their best to get in the porn industry and prove to these white men and black men that they don’t have small dicks and are just as sexually desirable. A big dick doesn’t mean shit, b/c in reality it hurts the girls vagina and may cause it to bleed, its how you use it. Asian cocks are average in size but they have one of the hardest cocks.
We must fight back ,we have stayed silent way too long!!! My advice is Asian women should step out of the porn industry or do scenes with only Asian men.
173 john // Jul 10, 2009 at 7:20 pm
Blah,
It is ignorant to say asian women are better than white girls or vice versa. Women from all races have varying personalities, differences, attitudes and beliefs. Not all asian women are exotic some are plain boring. Some white women are exotic to me because its foreign.
Other words I like beautiful women – White or Asian but the personality,chemistry is more important.
The reason why white men have it easy when dating asian girls. Is because white men are using the power of the media to whitewash Asian american women on thinking that they are better than other minorities. (subtle racism)
If its the other way around if asian men in china use the power of the mainstream media to sexualize white girls, sexualise asian men and desexualise white men. White men will be at the bottom of the dating food chain. Its true chinese men in china are dating white, chinese and other minorities. Whilst white men(locals in china not foreigners) are portrayed as demons and they find it hard to get laid in china, plus they cant speak mandarin well with horrible accent.
In western countries it’s dividing the asian women from the asian men. If this continues the asian women will assimilate fully to the white culture and disown and look down on her own race. She becomes insecure, low self esteem, identity crisis, fake, no genuine qualities.
Deep down she feels unhappy,depressed human being. No matter how hard she tries to be white, the fact is she will never be fully recognized as white.
174 Fook Wong // Jul 13, 2009 at 7:04 pm
I am a Chinese man and I couldn’t care less if White men date Asian women as long as they keep away from the Black women! I love Black women and only date them. They are the only women that can sexually satisfy me. The only thing that surprises me is that more Asian men haven’t discovered the benefits of dating women of African descent. The babies that we produce are the cutest in the world. Look at Tiger Woods.
175 Freeman Washington // Jul 13, 2009 at 7:09 pm
I am a gay African-American male and I just love Asian guys. Their skin is so smooth and I just luv to carress the beautiful Asian male body which is sooo boylike. Ohhh I am getting really excited just thinking about it. Any Asian mail who emails me is more than welcome.
176 Christine // Jul 14, 2009 at 3:22 am
I’m a hot White girl Half Spanish and Half American White to be exact. First of all there’s so no need to hate anyone , Asian girls are just missing out the cream of the crop (East Asian men)^_^. To be honest,White guys I know just dont do it for me, there horny, ignorant,hairy, stinky, and have really bad breath(Probably due to eating asian pussy, without washing there mouth).
East asian men out there hmmm I adore you guys : You have soft skin, nice complexion, cool hair and really rich and successful. But you need to be more confident and have better social skills like manners and know how to flirt better. But other than that its all good!! East asian guys be more like Bruce Lee, he’s a hot stud! =P Btw my Bf is asian(Hong Kong).
177 Robert // Jul 15, 2009 at 11:04 pm
I hope you guys know white men have a parallel with this with Black Men. The Post was well thought out and I very intelligent and was very wise at how he was able to seperate his identity to look at it from the outside. Of course I was upset because I felt the same way about black guys till I looked at the facts from studies from the British Journal of Urology and the like and know that penis size does not correlate with race. Though I still feel upset some would prefer them over a matter of ignorance. Intstead I thought would I really want to be a with a woman who was really that ignorant? So instead I think everyone should have heart that people who have desire based on ignorance are in turn not deisrable expecially in a long term relationship. Of course if you just are attracted to them thats really no problem nothing you can do about that. As a white guy I encourage asian guys to really put a stride into trying to date a someone of another race if you desire. White girls especially seriously white girls are like australia you have to be there atleast once in your life.
178 John // Jul 24, 2009 at 4:44 am
I remembered a couple of stupid bitches I’ve encountered, who were a disgrace to Asians. I’m going to let it out because it happened many years ago. Happened in Sydney TAFE One of them Filo, said out loud in a classroom and said : “Asian guys are so ugly, I’ll never date an Asian guy”. This girl was not only ignorant, stupid, and had identity issues. She would most likely hate her father, brothers and male cousins. She’s after White males, I warn you this white-washed motherfucker whore will exclusively date white guys. If you do have a son with her, she will most likely hate it if the baby looks more asian than white. I suggest you think carefully when dating a insecure, self hating(Race and Culture), low confidence girls(Most of them ugly, white washed Asian women). For us it’s good riddance, if you do date them.
179 Chris // Jul 29, 2009 at 10:45 am
I have an asian girlfriend and i’m white and it’s the greatest thing in the world i’m so in love with her
180 ann // Jul 29, 2009 at 8:07 pm
huh well this is an interesting post. i feel that asian girls date white guys because of the influence that society has on them. my idea is that because we live in america, and white people are the majority, they are considered the “superior” race. now i’m not saying that i agree that they are and i’m not trying to make any other race feel inferior or white people feel guilty or whatever. however i think that our american society prefers white people thus influencing the opinions of our population. and hey, it’s in other countries too. chinese people in china like chinese people so they try to have chinese people in their ads. so thus everyone wants to date a white person. and i’m not saying this is a conscious choice, it’s possible that indirectly, after watching all the ads and being around white people a lot of the time, we have some idea that a white partner would be better.
this point also relates to how asian guys don’t mind if they date a white girl. because they too have been subject to the messages that america has been sending. white people would make a more ideal partner than people of any other race.
i’m not saying that if an asian woman and white guy get together it’s not because they don’t really have feelings for each other or that the only reason that they’re together is because of their race. i agree that if it’s a real and special relationship, go for it! but i’m just saying that it’s possible that the reason why asian girls would initially be more interested in white guys is because of our society.
181 The Engineer // Jul 29, 2009 at 11:09 pm
“…
My point is not to denigrate Asian men. My point is that Asian men are men like any others; therefore, my arguments are all directed at debunking The Engineer’s offensive and baseless thesis that “Asian men are superior”.
…”
quotation of Aoede
I presume that when you refer to “Asian men are superior”. [sic], you are referring to those words as being my own. You stand incorrect. I never said, ” “Asian men are superior”. [sic] ”
Perhaps, you are referring to my enumerated list of good qualities that most (if not all) Asian men have? I believe Mark’s answer to you will suffice.
If you want to quote me, then do it right. Yes, I did make statements such as “Continuing theory: Asian women are generally psychotic.”
I also cited some very compelling evidence:
“Push to achieve tied to suicide in Asian-American women”
by Elizabeth Cohen dated May 16, 2007
http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/05/16/asian.suicides/index.html
Excerpt(s):
“…
“In my study, the model minority pressure is a huge factor,” says Noh, who studied 41 Asian-American women who’d attempted or contemplated suicide. “Sometimes it’s very overt — parents say, ‘You must choose this major or this type of job’ or ‘You should not bring home As and Bs, only As,” she says. “And girls have to be the perfect mother and daughter and wife as well.”
…
But Noh says pressure from within the family doesn’t completely explain the shocking suicide statistics for young women like her sister.
…
She says American culture has adopted the myth that Asians are smarter and harder-working than other minorities.
…
“It’s become a U.S.-based ideology, popular from the 1960s onward, that Asian-Americans are smarter, and should be doing well whether at school or work.”
…”
I have some questions for you Aoede.
Did you complete high school? What was your GPA?
Did you complete college? What was your major/minor? What was your GPA?
Was(Were) your parent(s) overbearing?
How many tattoos do you have?
Do you drink? Do you smoke? What do you smoke?
How many children do you have?
Thank you for listening.
182 James // Aug 2, 2009 at 3:43 am
John said “Whilst white men(locals in china not foreigners) are portrayed as demons and they find it hard to get laid in china, plus they cant speak mandarin well with horrible accent”
I actually thought you were joking at first or being ironic. Maybe you should check some articles on white men in china because its just the opposite. Chinese girls are all over white guys regardless of whether they are fat or old. If your interested I can send you acticles backing this up although you could probably inform yourself doing a simple google search. On that filo chick there is this korean girl at my uni who says the same thing e.g “asian guys are ugly i’d only date white etc” so i dont think its limited to a particular ethnicity.
To be fair I can kind of see what asian guys are complaining about, I mean its 2009 and I think there is even more asian chicks with white guys with a widening ratio. Going out in the city the other day I made a point to look out for wgwag (white guy with asian girls) I stopped counting once it got over 40 couples!!!
It took me by suprise, I can only imagine that that as even more asian chicks hook up with white guys the amount of bitter asian males would increase. If I was an asian guy i’d probably abuse these couples on the internet as well.
Also to the bitter asian male writing under the name “Christine” tone down the anti-asian female spiel, it gives you away.
183 Argile // Aug 2, 2009 at 10:08 am
James, please wake up out of your dream. Do you think those few Chinese girls are all over white guys because they love them or because they know they can get something out of them? White guys are easy to manipulate. You feed their ego for a bit and you have them under your control. Everybody knows this… except for white guys.
And I seriously doubt your claim that white male/asian female couplings are on the rise. Why? First, because asians tend to stick together. Second, because white males are on the decline. It doesn’t take a genius to see it happening. Just turn on the news… or step outside. In fact, if I didn’t know any better I would have to say you all are going extinct!
184 The Engineer // Aug 7, 2009 at 5:16 pm
an and Dan Whitcomb
dated Wed, August 5, 2009
http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSTRE57443720090805
So, was it just a casual stroll along a frozen river?
Why were Mrs. Clayton and Mrs. Saldate walking across a frozen river separating China from North Korea?
Perhaps, they were learning the fine art of ice fishing.
No. They are just a couple of typically psychotic Asian females busy being themselves, being an inconvenience to others, and being generally disruptive.
Thank you for listening.
185 The Engineer // Aug 7, 2009 at 5:23 pm
The above-reference should read as follows:
“Emotional homecoming greets reporters freed from North Korea”
by Steve Gorman and Dan Whitcomb
dated Wed, Aug. 5, 2009
Thank you for listening.
186 James // Aug 8, 2009 at 8:44 pm
I’m sure it didn’t escape your attention Engineer that both those Asian females are married to White guys
187 J // Aug 9, 2009 at 5:38 am
Ah, they were probably rejected by their own women and asian women were the only ones that were willing to accept them. I toured asia so I know the type. Beta males, mostly. Probably couldn’t compete with the alpha males of their own race so they migrated to asians.
You should be thanking us. How many George Sodini type events would have happened by now if it weren’t for asian women?
188 Divey // Aug 9, 2009 at 9:24 am
This is how Americans view Asians.
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/80692607/
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190 Vic // Aug 19, 2009 at 12:49 pm
Im a faggot douchebag, by the way. I forgot to mention that in my previous remarks.
191 Nancy // Aug 19, 2009 at 6:51 pm
This article is very strange! I live in New York, am an Asian female, and find only Asian men attractive. Among all my female Asian friends, only one finds white men more attractive than their Asian counterparts.
Asian men are more manly in a way. They’re mentally sound, committed and hard-working. A man with a serious personality can be very charming.
192 Prodigy // Aug 22, 2009 at 8:08 pm
I am an asian male married to a white woman. We have two beautiful half-breed children.
I know three other married couples who fall into the AF/WM stereotype, and although I fall into the atypical AM/WF category, I still am resentful by *their* relationships.
I feel for my Asian brothers – I’ve had fellow Asian guys come up to me out of the blue congratulating me on “beating the odds” and paving the way for them. Although it’s easy for me to empathize with them now, I know where you guys are coming from because before I met my wife, I was on that side of the fence too.
Word of advice: keep your head up and don’t let society dictate your life; you can’t change other people, so change yourself for the better.
193 SomeAsianGuy // Aug 23, 2009 at 1:49 am
I’m 28 years old and single at the moment by choice because as an Asian guy, I’m just too damn picky about my women. My experience with many Asian women is that alot of them, especially the Cantonese and Taiwanese ones are just as picky but can also be so unrealistic. I have two sisters, one is 18 and the other is a successful 27 year old pharmacist who makes six figures a year and is married to an Asian guy of the same age. Almost every academically impressive Asian woman and most importantly, have no drama, are married to Asian men at a younger age. From what I’ve seen, the ones that end up with White guys are typically the lazy, unattractive, or get rich quick kind of bunch who are willing to stay single while their youth fades until some rich guy comes along. Well, when the youth goes away, so does the prospect of meeting an Asian guy because he’ll want the younger and more educated girls who didn’t waste their time figuring out ways of screwing guys out of their money.
Obviously, when I meet Asian girls like this, it is such a huge turnoff. None of my Asian buddies like the idea of supporting a woman 100% so it’s not like Asian guys want their women staying home with the kids and be stuck in the kitchen all day. We actually want you to get a college education and work so that that you’ll be able to contribute to the monthly mortgage. And in return, we’ll let you do whatever the hell you want because you’re an independent woman. Americanized Asian men LOVE independent women. At the very least, I’d expect my girl to have at least a Bachelor’s degree as I do.
You know what are the most annoying ones? The ones that hardly has any college, expects to be taken care of, and wants to be well-travelled. Now if I see cute Asian women all over the place with advanced degrees, why the hell would I settle for a woman like that in this day and age?
Asian women are traditionally used to being taken care of in Asia but now they’re thinking that if they can free themselves from the clutches of Asian men, they can be both taken care of at not have to be submissive at the same time. A word of advice to you White guys. If you think your Asian woman is one of those girls that’ll cancel the gym membership the moment she says “I do”, I say you pull the fuck and run on them. That’s what I do. The good ol’ pump ‘n’ dump.
194 Nancy // Aug 23, 2009 at 9:42 am
I’ve never met an Asian-American female who wants to be taken care of. Even my friend who likes only white men is at the top of her class and aspires to make (possibly even more than) six figures a year! Maybe you’re talking about the extremely old white man/middle aged asian woman phenomenon.
A friend’s mother had a friend who married a white man, and then announced (in poor english) that she was now a caucasian! It’s almost as if, for those kinds of women, nabbing a white man is the social equivalent of earning (possibly even more than) six figures a year.
195 Vladan // Aug 23, 2009 at 6:01 pm
Asian girls like white boys because they feel they are rebelling against their parent’s wishes. Some white boys think asians are exotic or amazing during copulation. also, many asian men have very small penises, and perhaps have great difficultly satisfying an asian woman.
196 Anonymous // Aug 24, 2009 at 6:00 pm
Interesting study of physical attractiveness in China
http://ccr.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/42/3/248
197 The Engineer // Sep 3, 2009 at 10:05 am
Oh, the Asian female psychosis continues!
Here is a good example:
“Japan’s new first lady says rode UFO to Venus”
dated Wednesday, Septempber 2, 2009
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE5812DV20090902
Some excerpts:
“…
“While my body was asleep, I think my soul rode on a triangular-shaped UFO and went to Venus,” Miyuki Hatoyama, the wife of premier-in-waiting Yukio Hatoyama, wrote in a book published last year.
“It was a very beautiful place and it was really green.”
…
When she awoke, Japan’s next first lady wrote, she told her now ex-husband that she had just been to Venus. He advised her that it was probably just a dream.
“My current husband has a different way of thinking,” she wrote. “He would surely say ‘Oh, that’s great’.”
…”
Yes, her current husband, Prime-Minister-to-be Yukio Hatoyama, is a very patient Asian man that has accepted the fact that his current wife (Asian female) is psychotic.
He is very brave.
Thank you for listening.
198 jerry // Sep 7, 2009 at 4:56 am
EXTICTION OR PRETTY CLOSE TO IT!!! LOOK WHAT IS HAPPENING TO JAPAN. ALL THEIR WOMEN ARE FUCKING WHITE AND BLACK MEN AND THIER POPULTION IN A 100 YRS WILL BE LESS THAN 70MILLION DOWN FROM OVER 120MILL A FEW DECADES AGO.
THESE ASIAN GIRLS DO NOT REALIZE BUT THE ONLY REASON THE WHITE OR BLACK GUY LIKES THEM SO MUCH IS THAT THEY ARE ASIAN. AND THE ONLY WAY THEIR DAUGHTER AND FUTURE GENERATIONS WILL LOOK LIKE THEM IS IF THEY HAVE A CHILD WITH AN ASIAN MAN. AFTER THEIR CHILDS GENERATION NO ONE ELSE WILL EVER LOOK LIKE THEM AGAIN.
199 Nancy // Sep 9, 2009 at 4:37 pm
It’s so easy to speculate about others and pick at their faults. You can’t change all Asian women, but you can change yourself. And The Engineer’s comments are laughable. Asian women are psychotic? They’re afraid of men who can understand them? Really, you aren’t even close to understanding how a woman thinks. What kind of woman would want a distant relationship in which she can just control the man and laugh at his mental inadequacy? Don’t you know that almost all women fantasize about partners just as smart as them, who can accept them for who they are (thus understanding them) and treat them as equals? Who would want to hide parts of themselves in a relationship? That would be too much of a burden! In fact, part of the reason I only like Asian men is because they can relate to my background and carry on intellectual conversation. Maybe I never understood Asian men, because I didn’t know they could be so judgmental (The Engineer) and whiny. I never really liked girls who would only latch onto white men either (I thought they were degrading themselves), but generalizing Asian women as psychotic and insecure is too extreme.
(Clicking things on this site is very hard. I was wondering if that’s supposed to be normal).
200 Nobody // Sep 9, 2009 at 7:36 pm
It’s pretty obvious engineer is projecting his own personal psychosis on women. It’s very unhealthy and he should find someone to talk to!
201 PJs // Sep 11, 2009 at 12:53 pm
Asian Mail order bride goes missing right before she was suppose to get married to a white.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw69q-AZrqg&NR=1
202 fjieow // Sep 11, 2009 at 1:48 pm
“The life of the oriental is cheap.” – General Westmorland. U.S. Army (white guy)
203 The Engineer // Sep 13, 2009 at 10:12 pm
For the curious Nancy and Nobody:
Here is a second datum point entitled,
“US-born Asian-American Women More Likely to Think About, Attempt Suicide, Study Finds”
adapted by Science Daily
dated August 18, 2009
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/08/090817190650.htm
Some excerpts:
“…
“This study highlights the fact that we may be underserving Asian-American women born in the U.S,” said Duldulao. “While there was little evidence of sociodemographic differences in suicidal behaviors among various Asian-American groups, there was some anecdotal data from people working in the community. It is important for service providers, as well as policymakers, to know that U.S.-born Asian-Americans, particularly the second generation, are at high risk for mental health problems and suicidal behavior.
…”
Here is the first datum point (I mentioned in an earlier commentary; it is repeated here for your convenience):
“Push to achieve tied to suicide in Asian-American Women”
by Elizabeth Cohen, CNN
dated May 16, 2007
http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/05/16/asian.suicides/index.html
Perhaps, Nancy and Nobody will have the courage to conclude that the shortest distance between two points is a straight line.
Thank you for listening.
204 The Engineer // Sep 13, 2009 at 10:26 pm
“Asian Mail order bride goes missing right before she was suppose to get married to a white.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw69q-AZrqg&NR=1”
– quotation of PJ
Yes, PJ, it appears to be a trend:
“Body thought to be missing Yale graduate student Annie Le found stuffed inside wall at college lab”
BY MATTHEW LYSIAK IN HARTFORD, CONN. AND HENRICK KAROLISZYN AND SAMUEL GOLDSMITH
DAILY NEWS WRITERS
Sunday, September 13th 2009, 9:33 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2009/09/13/2009-09-13_body_thought_to_be_missing_yale_graduate_student_annie_le_stuffed_inside_a_wall_.html
I took notice of this article simply because of the bizarre nature of her death. I immediately suspected that she was affiliated with some Caucasian man (in this case, Jewish).
It is rather interesting that she has been missing since Tuesday, September 8, 2009, and there has been no statement made to the news press from Mr. Widawsky. Instead, 24 hours later, Mr. Widawsky’s father, Michael Widawsky, declares a postponement of the wedding. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/09/13/2009-09-13_details_of_the_canceled_wedding_of_.html
Thank you for listening
205 Matt // Sep 15, 2009 at 4:20 pm
Another look at why White guys with Asian girls is so common.
http://www.ryersonline.ca/articles/3022/1/Mixed-couples-have-best-of-both-worlds/Page1.html
Looks Like White guys with Asian girls have the best of both worlds according to this article.
206 artsy asian camcorder // Sep 16, 2009 at 12:11 pm
i don’t hate white men/asian women couples. what i do hate is when one of them actually confronted me about staring at them. i wasn’t staring because i resented you, i was staring because you’re hot.
i also hate it when people make interracial relationships the greatest thing ever when in reality it is no different from any other relationships.
207 dick // Sep 17, 2009 at 2:25 am
i totally agree with jerry that the long term consequences will be extinction for the asian race…i mean after all who is going to produce hot sexy asian girls if there are not asian guys making them????????????
208 M // Sep 17, 2009 at 6:57 pm
What are you doing ‘artsy asian camcorder’?!. You need to make it known to our Asian women that going out with a White man is an act of rebellion, not saying how hot they are.
209 latinlover_that_luvs_asianwomen // Sep 24, 2009 at 10:39 am
I AM TIRED OF SEEING AND HEARING ABOUT WHITE MEN WITH ASIAN WOMEN. IT NEEDS TO END. LET LATINO/HISPANIC MEN DOMINATE OVER ASIA’S FINEST FEMALES IN THE WORLD. AND BESIDES THERE ARE LATINO MEN THAT HAVE CAUCASIAN FEATURES SO IT DOES NOT MAKE A DIFFERENCE. OH , YEAH I AM SINGLE AND INTERESTED WITH A RIGHT ASIAN GIRL.^-^
210 Eurasian Sensation // Sep 24, 2009 at 10:41 pm
I admit I have found myself feeling resentment when seeing lots of white guy – asian girl couples. Which is weird because I am the product of such a relationship. If not for such relationships I wouldn’t be here!
I guess there’s a couple of reasons for this:
* I kinda feel bad for the Asian male who doesn’t get the respect he deserves in the dating world. (As a halfie, I’m sort of exempt from that rule though,)
but more crucially –
* I’m just jealous that someone else is getting action with a hot girl instead of me.
Resentment of these kinds of relationships is actually very sexist, if you consider one angle. In most cultures, males consider it a matter of honour to control “their” women. That’s why many guys are over-protective of their sisters and mothers, and why “I f***ed your sister/mother” is such a major insult. Consider that in Islam, men are allowed to marry outside the faith, but Muslim women may never marry a non-Muslim. Same logic. It’s all patriarchal.
211 AsianGuysAreAttractive // Sep 24, 2009 at 11:00 pm
I’m an Asian female and most of my life, I’ve been attracted to Asian guys. I think Asian guys are good looking : ). I love Asian men’s personality and way of things more than white men.
BTW, I’m talking mostly about first generation to second generation Asian men. Third generation Asian men and beyond tend to be too White for me.
212 The Engineer // Oct 6, 2009 at 9:26 pm
Well, it would seem that my initial commentary regarding the late Annie Le was deleted. In that initial commentary, I merely mentioned that her husband-to-be was a Caucasian man (Jewish) and that it seemed odd that her husband-to-be has remained silent throughout this whole ordeal so far. I also added a few important weblinks.
I can imagine the firestorm of commentary my initial posting must have generated.
It is a shame that all that commentary was deleted as I believe the case of Annie Le and other such cases involving Asian females are relevant to the discussion at hand.
Today, Raymond Clark III, had another hearing. Raymond Clark III said nothing.
“Ray Clark Stays Quiet During Hearing for Annie Le Murder Case”
By EMILY FRIEDMAN, DON ENNIS and LINDSAY GOLDWERT
NEW HAVEN., Conn. Oct. 6, 2009
http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/ray-clark-stays-quiet-hearing-annie-le-murder/story?id=8759862
A few excerpts:
“…
Lawyers for Clark said later that their client will plead not guilty.
…
Asked how Clark was doing, Lopez said, “as well as can be expected.” They ended today’s hearing after setting a date for a hearing on Oct 20, when it will be decided whether a probable cause hearing will be held. It is possible that Clark will enter his plea at that hearing.
…”
This ought to be an interesting trial (if it goes to trial).
Thank you for listening.
213 Mrcoffee // Oct 10, 2009 at 11:12 pm
Asian woman seem to go out with white men in disproportionately in Western because there are lot more white men in Western countries than there are Asian men (duh). The real question is why it seems so few Asian men go out with white women. I suspect the answer is Asian men don’t find white women attractive. I don’t blame them. I don’t either.
214 The Engineer // Oct 19, 2009 at 7:00 am
The psychotic Asian female madness continues:
“Balloon boy case a hoax, says sheriff; charges coming”
Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:28am EDT
by Reuters
http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSTRE59E5H720091019
A few excerpts:
“DENVER (Reuters) – The flight of a home-made helium balloon that touched off a frantic rescue attempt for the young boy thought to be aboard was a publicity-seeking hoax, a Colorado sheriff said on Sunday.
…
The airship took to the skies on Thursday morning and Richard and Mayumi Heene claimed that their son had climbed aboard, triggering a massive search and rescue operation as the odd silver craft drifted for 50 miles, trailed by U.S. National Guard helicopters.
…
“We believe we have evidence at this point to indicate that it was a publicity stunt done with the hopes of better marketing themselves for a reality television show at some point in the future,” he said.
…
“On the bizarre meter, this rates a 10,” Alderden said.
…
The boy responded: “You guys (his parents) said that, um, we did this for the show.”
…
“They are actors. Not only have they appeared on TV, they met at acting school in Hollywood,” Alderden said. “They put on a very good show for us, and we bought it.”
The Heenes:
http://aslcdn.celebuzz.com/archive/2009/10/18/henne-family-10182009.jpg
Thank you for listening.
215 The Engineer // Oct 20, 2009 at 6:48 pm
Well, it would seem again that my reference to the “balloon boy” incident was deleted.
Like before, I believe the story is relevant to the discussion at hand: psychotic Asian females and their poor choices in boyfriends and mates.
Here is another reference, should anyone be curious.
“Balloon Boy Story Always Flies in the Sky”
October 20, 2009 by Meg C.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2306967/balloon_boy_story_always_flies_in_the_pg2_pg2.html?cat=7
An excerpt:
“…
It was announced by Sheriff Jim Alderden that the Heene’s would be charged with various misdemeanor and felony charges for the whole balloon boy story hoax. The latest speculations are a debate over whether Richard and Mayumi Heene should be allowed to keep their three children, who they included in the hoax.
We are still waiting to see how the whole balloon boy story will end. Will it be a tragedy? Will the Heenes lose everything? Will the Heenes gain so much popularity that a TV station will give them their own reality show? Will they be chastised and ignored? The whole balloon boy story is a joke, so I figure the ending will be quite comical.
”
In case anyone did not notice, Mayumi Heene is an Asian female.
Thank you for listening.
216 The Engineer // Oct 20, 2009 at 7:01 pm
Raymond Clark III still has not entered a plea.
His court records regarding the charge of murdering Annie Le still remain sealed.
His next court appearance is November 3, 2009.
State of Connecticut v. Clark, CR09-97102-T, Connecticut Superior Court (New Haven).
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a.c4irMo_x1g
Again I believe the Annie Le murder is related to the discussion at hand because Annie Le was an Asian female who harbored particular interest in Caucasian men.
Thank you for listening.
217 just my 2 cents // Oct 21, 2009 at 2:53 pm
as a vietnamese woman who has dated vietnamese and chinese men for 2/3rds of my life, i can tell you the truth about why some of my asian sisters choose to date non-asian men.
1. vietnamese and chinese men worship white skin, which is why some asian women lighten their skin to be accepted by them. i am golden tan and have overheard vietnamese waiters talking about me in restaurants, “oh, she is too tan. her skin is ruined.”, etc.
worship of white skin is implicit in the vietnamese community especially and is not really talked about, but it is definitely there.
2. vietnamese and chinese men have extremely high standards for their women on all levels.
education-at least a bachelors. some even ask for one from an ivy league school, sometimes a masters, or a phd.
3. annual salary-the more she makes, the better.
4. body size-0-4.
and again, skin color-the whiter she is, the higher dating marketability she has. if she has dark skin some men might look down upon her or treat her like a whore.
5. her personality and interests-she can’t have any “white” interests, like country music, fixing up old muscle cars, volunteering, eating non asian foods, being in an “artisitic” profession, etc., or else they will label her as “whitewashed”, “a banana”, etc.
6. vietnamese and chinese men are extremely old-fashioned and controlling. these tendencies do not come out until after she dates them for awhile.
7. not all long lasting asian marriages are happy. some are just arranged or marriages of convenience. non-asian people buy into the lie that asian marriages are happy, devoted, and faithful because they don’t know any better. it is easy for a marriage to last when it is an open marriage of convenience. my parents had an arranged marriage, in which my dad cheated on her throughout their entire marriage. my mom stayed with him because she was taught that it was a woman’s duty to stay with her husband.
in dating vietnamese and chinese men, i have had all these experiences, being told that my skin is too dark because i refuse to bleach it, being told that i don’t have the right to call myself vietnamese because i listen to rascal flatts, have an interest in old muscle cars, or like to eat out at non-asian restaurants occasionally.
so, let me tell you the truth, asian women dating white guys, or for that matter, hispanic, or black guys, has nothing to do with politics, attraction, penis size, etc. but has everything to do with love, acceptance, and finding a compatible person that will make that woman happy.
ps. i do not mean to say that all vietnamese and chinese men are negative in these ways, but some definitely are unbearable.
218 The Engineer // Oct 24, 2009 at 12:58 am
Well, at least she is sane enough to admit wrongdoing. I believe it is very irresponsible for the two of them to force their children to lie, especially lie to law enforcement.
“Documents: ‘Balloon boy’ dad had hoax in mind, wife says”
updated 7:59 p.m. EDT, Fri October 23, 2009
by CNN
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/10/23/colorado.balloon.investigation/index.html
Some excerpts:
“…
Mayumi Heene told Larimer County investigators that she and her husband, Richard Heene, knew that their 6-year-old son Falcon was hiding at their Fort Collins home the entire time, even as police and military scrambled to search for the boy, according to the documents.
…”
Thank you for listening.
219 anonymous // Oct 26, 2009 at 10:40 pm
i live in california and am surrounded by racist bittermelons everywhere i go. when i’m out with a white date i get the eye from these racist bittermelons. when i’m with an asian date, they don’t stare at me at all. i find it odd that i’m still the same person but am treated so differently depending on who i’m with. asian women face enough racism from the outside world. they don’t need it from their own men too.
racists, you know who you are. and if you don’t know that you’re racist then you’re pretty ignorant.
220 ben // Oct 27, 2009 at 10:14 am
anonymous, are you kidding? i see more racism from asian women towards men than the other way around. they believe what society has conditioned to believe and turn on their own men.
ooh, ooh I know, let’s do a competition to see who faces more racism! you all have it pretty good compared to us. at least asian women aren’t subtly put down by the media and american society in general.
do you know how many hostile looks the guy would get if he went out with a white woman? do grow up.
221 anonymous // Oct 27, 2009 at 12:20 pm
ben, have you ever been an asian woman? i don’t think you’re qualified to tell me that i don’t face any racism. i can’t go out to a bar after work with a non-asian male coworker without you guys looking at me as if i’m some kind of whore. if he’s white, guys like you think i’m a sellout whore. if he’s black or hispanic then i’m a super whore. if he’s asian, then i’m a good little virgin asian girl who pledges allegience to my race.
riddle- what’s the diffference between a bitter asian man and a disgruntled ne0-nazi?
a neo-nazi is honest about his racism. he shaves his head, puts on a storm trooper outfit with a swastika armband, heil hitlers, and spews hatred everywhere he goes. at least you can recognize him for a racist immediately.
a bitter asian man disguises his racism with a poor me attitude, a respectable education and profession, fake insincere political correctness, and an asian face.
asian men get a free pass to be racist because they are a minority. you don’t know how many times i’ve been told that i would be attractive if i lightened my skin by asian men. you don’t know how many times i’ve been treated like a whore by an asian man because i refuse to bleach my skin like those other conformist clones. i don’t do the white face, brown neck makeup look. obviously some asian men think that tan asian women are nothing more than prostitutes. you don’t know how many times i’ve told that i’m a whitewashed banana because i don’t fit in with their racist ideas of what it means to be asian. obviously asian women who volunteer, go hiking, or teach are “white” according to some “how to be asian rulebook”. according to our men, we’re only allowed to go shopping, drive lexuses, carry an lv handbag, or work in some money grubbing profession.
that’s right most of the time asian women are tolerated by american society and the media but their own men treat them like shit.
222 ben // Oct 27, 2009 at 1:26 pm
anonymous, i never said asian women never faced any racism. the examples you provided of the racist attitudes you encountered from the men are quite extreme and shocking to me and honestly something i never knew existed. but i live in florida where there aren’t that many asians – i can go for weeks here without seeing another asian person.
if what you say is true then i’m truly sorry for what you’ve been through. i think it’s quite sad on the part of the men for them to behave that way. maybe if more women brought it up it will shed some light on the issue and make it go away. i do agree that some asians can be too “borg-like” in trying to keep people within the culture. this aspect of asians has always bothered me.
223 anonymous // Oct 28, 2009 at 7:17 pm
hello ben,
i’m sorry. i did not mean to rant on you or imply that all asian men are a bunch of racist bittermelons. most are not. where i live in california, alot of asian people live. occasionally i run into asian men with a really weird chip on their shoulder. i had this experience when i was dating this really dark-skinned asian indian guy. we went into this shoe store and he asked the clerk if they had a particular brand of shoe. the clerk who was chinese looked at me, then he looked at my date, then he said in a really harsh voice, “NO WE DON’T” and he disappeared into the back and never came out for the rest of the time that we were there. we couldn’t get any service at that store even if our lives depended on it.
it’s really mind boggling to me that asian men hating on asian women for dating white guys should even be a subject. just because an asian woman is dating a white guy does not mean that she is some crazy white boy chaser. what is it about white guys that make some asian men so angry? is the supply of asian women so low that they have to be rationed?
224 Straight Asian // Oct 28, 2009 at 8:24 pm
The asian american community as a whole is fucked. Thats why after I get my medical degree Im getting the fuck out of this shithole and living as an expat in Asia. Fuck the USA.
May the Taliban get more of you.
225 The Engineer // Nov 3, 2009 at 7:15 pm
This Raymond Clark III is quite a character; again, he has refused to enter a plea, and this time, he even refused to appear in court today.
“Yale slaying suspect a no-show at hearing”
dated November 3, 2009 by Matthew Chayes
http://www.newsday.com/long-island/yale-slaying-suspect-a-no-show-at-hearing-1.1566135
A few excerpts:
“…
Clark, 24, has not entered a plea, but his attorney says he will eventually plead not guilty. Clark has been jailed on a $3-million bond since being arrested Sept. 17 on a murder charge in the death of Le, the Yale pharmacology graduate student who police initially suspected was a runaway bride. Her body was found on what was to be the day of her Long Island wedding to a Huntington man.
…
Fasano said his decision on whether to unseal the four arrest and search warrants – a decision in response to a motion filed by media organizations – would come this week.
The hearing yesterday afternoon lasted less than 5 minutes.
The next hearing in the case was rescheduled for Dec. 21 at 2 p.m.
”
Thank you for listening.
226 The Engineer // Nov 3, 2009 at 8:13 pm
One of the recent anonymous commentators has made a few interesting (if not amusing) statements that Asian men are racists!
And this accusation is coming from someone whom we are to presume is an Asian female.
Her experiences (as she has described them) may or may not be true, but her interpretations of them is tremendously one sided — to the point that I suspect that she has been coached by some Caucasian male in the fine art of Blaming the Victim.
Let us address the question of dark skin. It is well known that African Americans and Hispanic Americans are constantly at odds regarding who is lighter skinned and who is not. I suppose that this controversy originates all the way back in history in the time of Slavery and the Spanish Conquest. Fortunately for Asians, Slavery and the Spanish Conquest are not in our histories; so, from a socio-political-economical standpoint, to argue who is darker is comical. From my own observations, there are EQUAL numbers of dark Asian men and dark Asian females.
Therefore, if there is any type of social awkwardness associated with having a dark complexion, then Asian men and Asian females share equally in that problem (assuming it is really a problem), and to make the assertion that the assumed problem is one-sided is simply not correct.
“…a bitter asian man disguises his racism with a poor me attitude, a respectable education and profession, fake insincere political correctness, and an asian face.”
– Anonymous Quotation
That above statement really takes the cake.
A victim complains about his circumstances and that makes him a racist? That is exactly the same tactic Caucasians use against African Americans whenever African Americans complain about their status as an oppressed class in the Western World. It is wrong for Caucasians to use this tactic; it is wrong for (psychotic) Asian females to use this tactic.
A respectable education and profession is a masquerade for racism? That is a truly psychotic assertion. A respectable education and profession has NOTHING to do with racism. Regardless of race, regardless of background, regardless of religion, etc, EVERYONE should strive to obtain a respectable education and/or profession, and that profession may not require education. If a person conducts himself with dignity and respect for others, he is professional. Linking an education, a profession, and racism together can only come from a truly psychotic mind.
Too often the concept of political correctness is associated with simply behaving with good manners. There is nothing false or dubious with treating others in a mannerly way. It is a shame that the Western World has brainwashed most people (e.g. psychotic Asian females) into believing that good manners is some kind of ruse. To believe that good manners is a cover for racism can only come from a truly psychotic mind.
“…a bitter asian man disguises his racism with … an asian face.” Unbelievable. Simply unbelievable. To my Asian brothers who are reading this, we are to presume that an Asian female made that statement. To my Asian brothers, have you ever seen such a self-hating statement as that? To my Asian brothers, we can only assume that only a psychotic Asian female could possibly make such a statement.
Considering the mindset of some Anonymous commentator(s), I would recommend reading the following (Note: I originally cited this weblink back in January 2009):
“Why I will Never Date a White Guy: Asian Girl/White Guy Not for Me.”
http://www.xanga.com/somekoreanchick/665117840/why-i-will-never-date-a-white-guy-asian-girlwhite-guy-not-for-me/
“somekoreanchick” goes into detail regarding THAT GIRL. Her expose is quite enlightening.
Thank you for listening.
227 the answer is obvious // Nov 5, 2009 at 2:32 pm
OMG. You are all overthinking the issue. Here’s my 2 cents. I am a Chinese female, married to a caucasian male. I have dated all types of men prior to getting married. My experienece has been: Asian men are not dumber or uglier. In fact, Asian men tend to have higher average incomes, which normally would boost their success at dating more women (of any race) in general. HOWEVER. Asian men tend to be more passive about chasing women, any kind of women in general. This is a turnoff to most women who grow up in western cultures, including Asian american females, who expect the man to \chase\ them in the dating game. I’m not saying that ALL asian males are quiet and passive, but in general….yes, asian men tend to be more shy about approaching females, and more shy about showing some passion toward the object of their desire. (It’s a cultural thing, Asians are taught to be discreet about their emotions) That is why everyone has the stereotype about asian men being less sexual. TO ALL ASIAN MEN, go and get your game on! Go ahead and hit on every hot chick of any color you see at the club! Do not let yourself be defeated by stereotypes!
228 links of london jewellery // Nov 5, 2009 at 11:22 pm
Asian men like to say this because that’s all they’re paying attention to. It’s kind of saying a policeman rarely sees jay walkers, but sees a lot of drug dealers. Obviously this policeman is just not as concerned with jay walkers and more focused on drug dealers as drug dealers clearly present a bigger threat. Bing is a really overlord!! support Bing~~
229 Thy // Nov 10, 2009 at 9:13 am
I happened to find this article via google and have been trying to read myself through this site but after an hour I realized I was not even half way through. I still wanted to leave my 2 cents though.
First of all my background:
I am vietnamese, born in Germany, 23 years old, attractive for asians as well as whites (or any other races) which means pretty face, overaverage bust for asians, slender, petite.
I know by experience that I am attractive to men from everywhere. Here more, there less.
I am travelling a lot (explains my english) and have been around the world quite a bit. Never seen the vietnamese communities in the US though but have in Australia. Been around Asia a lot, seen some of the middle east, north africa and of course Europe.
I grew up in a vietnamese, catholic family (all women in my family have overaverge bust by the way lol), with my grandparents being overly, traditionally catholic. One day their daughter, my auntie got married to a german man and it was horrible for my grannies but they got over it. My aunties children are stunning and overly smart.
She has a very “german” relationship with her husband, means everything has it’s order. Works pretty good for them and been together for almost 20 years now.
Everyone else of that generation is with vietnamese partners. Our generation anyway is a little bit more different. Most of my cousins still hang out with a lot of asians, build relationships of their same races but a few of us also are with caucasians. I myself do not care at all and so does none of my cousins, since we grew up together and respect each other.
Maybe it is that we don’t have big asian communities here like you have in Australia or in the US. However it might also be the multicultural, european liberalty.
Whatever it is, I for myself am with a “white guy” now. Never really had a preference in races, my best friend is black adopted by a german/african family. I have always looked at the person never at the color of ones skin.
Previously I have dated vietnamese, other asians, muslims, latins but never been in a relationship with any because none of them made me feel in love or treated me the way I wanted to be treated. 2 years ago however I met an australian white man who spends most of his time working in Asia. So he is white and “asianized”. In other words adaptable to my needs. Which is the fact that I grew up in a western world but still with asian traditions.
In one of the prior posts someone wrote that us asian girls with white men don’t look into asian guys eyes when they walk past as if we felt we we’re “betraying” them.
That is actually quite easy to explain… because it is a fact that a lot of asian guys or even people (mostly elders) look at it the way they do. They judge you. Think you are bad. Think that the white guy stole you away from them. Or worse you are just with him because of his money or worse he is just a sex tourist ( that’s what happens on travels, mostly asia).
During my travels I have noticed that. Asia itself is the worst. That is why I think a lot of asian women being in healthy interracial relationships tend to close up because there is no understanding from the outside world. No one wants to be judged as something less than they are.
I am in love with a white guy and I am not ashamed of it. But I also don’t like it when people judge a book by it’s cover.
It is true that I found a lot of asian guys I used to get to know not man enough. But I also met white guys who were not man enough.
I know though that there are asian guys who are indeed very masculine starting with my own older brother. Also there was a period of time I was more interested with asian guys I tended to watch korean dramas and you would always find them pretty masculine in the movies.
In reality though a lot of them never fought for me. A no was a no. My insecurity made most of them more insecure. Fact is though that women need someone to take away there insecurities and not make it worse.
I was actually having a dilemma with asian guys that I have met not being strong enough for me and white guys being to white for me, means they were not able to understand my asian needs.
Now that I have found the perfect match the asianized white guy I still have obstacles in front of me with people from all over pointing at me thinking I am a bad vietnamese.
Reality is it coulda been a westernized vietnamese guy also who woulda been strong enough to be my equal. He just happened to never show up. And today I am with the most beautiful, succesful, strong and asianized white guy. And I wish squared minded people (especially asians) would open up their eyes and hearts and see the love and not the color.
230 pixelspecter // Nov 17, 2009 at 8:43 am
i find this quite interesting and i to had this hate for asian female/white male couples but i soon found out it all derived from insecurity. i do get the “i don’t date asian guys” once in a while when at parties or in the class (and its usually because of some stupid stereotype) but that doesn’t really affect me anymore because i know she is probably a bit shallow (because her attraction is based on race). besides, most of my insecurities don’t come from asian females but from white/black/latino males who claim asian females prefer anything over asian.
to all you asian males who are bitter about this. i tell you now to ease the “pain”…. not all asian girls are pretty.
231 Straight Asian Man // Nov 25, 2009 at 8:13 pm
its more like, I hate asian women for automatically categorizing me and denigrating me, auto-rejection via self-racism, but also, I hate white men for creating and maintaining the hegemony within the world to set this system up.
I cheer for the death of Americans, I celebrate Cho Seung Hui and Ft. Hood’s Nidal Hassan. Is that wrong? I doubt it, I think it is justified.
I dream of the day white men and their evil empire go down in flames. Lets drink to that!!!!
232 Straight Asian Man // Nov 25, 2009 at 8:16 pm
You dont know how badly I want to see White men die.
233 Mark // Nov 25, 2009 at 8:32 pm
Thy,
“And I wish squared minded people (especially asians) would open up their eyes and hearts and see the love and not the color.”
If the eyes and hearts that needed to be open were just Asians or Asian men, then 90% of the problem would disappear.
Ten or 15 years ago, openly criticizing AF/non-AM relationships was politically incorrect even in Asian circles, newsgroups, forums. Most Asian guys would dismiss it, blame themselves or admonish the complainers that women are free to choose. But things have changed because EVERYBODY finally got the clue that “something is wrong” while the negative stereotypes continued to snowball.
Your words suggest that non-Asians are color-blind and take-away nothing from the preponderance of AF/non-AM couples. But this is naive (and if it were only true!). They know and know it all too well “what’s going on”. In fact, it’s almost a running joke, isn’t it? They know that Asian females don’t like Asian men and they know Asian females are easy … too easy. Sure, the positive stereotypes exist but they are equal in depth and breadth with all the negative ones.
Asian women who are dating or are married to non-Asian men who glibly advise their male counterparts to “get their game on” or whatever miss the point that as a people or group with a distinct identity, whether any single individual “gets his game on” or not is less important than the stereotypes that are created and reinforced through “our behavior” or “beliefs” that are the source of our behavior. To the extent Asian men have failed to “get their game on”, then they have contributed to the negative stereotypes. Conversely, to the extent Asian females have “gotten their game on” with non-AM, bad-mouthed Asian culture/people/society in public venues and prance around with “whomever” (and they do with abandon!), they contributed their fair share.
It’s great that you’ve found your quasi-Asian white fella, but when AF/non-AM pairings happen often and repeatedly, we can be confident that the relationship is not coincidental and just a matter of two people falling in love. There’s a larger sociological force at work. And EVERYONE has taken notice. The implications are embarrassing.
In an egalitarian, non-racist world, who dates whom wouldn’t matter. But in the real world, it does matter. People keep score. As images are seen seen on television, movies, porn … and words are spoken … and people pair up … impressions are transmitted through the air like radiowaves and people with their antennas up form stereotypes. And Asian women … you with your white, black, Arab, hispanic or whatever boyfriends/husbands … have nothing to be proud of. (And neither do we.)
I am confident that Asian men will have their day – to this, I have little doubt. What is sad however is that they will do so in spite of their female counterparts who have been wont to rationalize their treachery every step of the way.
234 The Engineer // Dec 3, 2009 at 9:22 pm
“…I am confident that Asian men will have their day – to this, I have little doubt. What is sad however is that they will do so in spite of their female counterparts who have been wont to rationalize their treachery every step of the way.”
– quotation of Mark
Hear, hear! Well said, Mark; very well said.
I, too, am tired of hearing about these psychotic Asian females blaming us for not understanding their psychotic choices.
Some time ago, as I was busy in my Engineering cubicle, an Asian female colleague visited me with the problem of trying to understand her Caucasian (Jewish) husband and her father-in-law. Now, at the time, I did not judge her to be that psychotic; she actually seemed quite normal — but all this was before I came up with my Psychotic Asian Female Theory.
Well, in short, she wanted me to offer Engineering-inspired advice to fix her marriage to her Caucasian husband and to make her father-in-law less verbally abusive.
Is this TREACHERY or what?
That is an example of psychotic Asian females’ thinking that it is perfectly okay, perhaps even normal and acceptable, that psychotic Asian females can “stick the pole” into us, and we are suppose to smile while it is happening.
Please allow me to make a declaration to all my Asian brothers:
WE SHALL NOW PURSUE CAUCASIAN WOMEN TO BE OUR GIRLFRIENDS, OUR WIVES, AND OUR MOTHERS OF OUR CHILDREN.
Let us choose Caucasian women that measure up to our standards that we want for girlfriends, wives, and mothers.
Let us treat them accordingly. We shall be gentlemen, friends, confidants, lovers, supporters, nurturers, soul mates to them. They deserve it.
I have noticed that THERE ARE A LOT OF CAUCASIAN WOMEN WHO ARE VERY WILLING TO BE OUR GIRLFRIENDS, WIVES, AND MOTHERS. It is a shame that many of us were brainwashed for such a long time that (psychotic) Asian women are to be our mates.
No more!
And bear in mind, we are not being hypocritical. The essay by “somekoreanchick” perfectly explains why we are not hypocrites by pursuing Caucasian women.
Thank you for listening.
235 The Engineer // Dec 3, 2009 at 9:38 pm
Well, Raymond Clark III, still has not shown up for court to enter a plea. His court appearance is (tentatively) scheduled for December 21, 2009.
“Annie Le Case: Newly Released Documents Hold Some Details On Suspect’s Arrest”
by Alaine Griffin
December 3, 2009
http://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/yale-annie-le/hc-yale-warrants-1203.artdec03,0,430070.story
An excerpt:
“…
In addition to searching Clark’s apartment, police also looked for evidence in a 2000 Ford Mustang that Clark used and a 1999 Ford Taurus that police said Clark was a passenger in the day Le disappeared. According to the search warrants, police found sneakers “with unknown reddish stains” inside the Mustang and “blood-like stains” in the Taurus.
Clark and his girlfriend, Jennifer Hromadka, were seen leaving a coffee shop in the Taurus hours after Le was killed, according to the affidavits.
The Associated Press reported that police have asked for a DNA sample from Hromadka. Robert Berke, Hromadka’s attorney, told the AP that it’s not clear why authorities want her DNA.
Detectives also looked through lockers at the research center. In one locker, labeled “RAY,” police found Le’s e-mail address. The search warrants said Clark “has in the recent past” contacted Le through e-mail.
Le, a third-year doctoral student in pharmacology from Placerville, Calif., was reported missing on Sept. 8. For days, investigators searched the research center at 10 Amistad St. They found her body Sept. 13, the day Le was supposed to get married.
…”
So, now his girlfriend’s DNA is wanted by the police. Hmmm, this is getting more interesting.
Opinion/Theory: pharmacology majors choose their majors partly for the purpose of being close to “drugs.”
Thank you for listening.
236 The Engineer // Dec 3, 2009 at 10:00 pm
“…
And Asian women … you with your white, black, Arab, hispanic or whatever boyfriends/husbands … have nothing to be proud of. (AND NEITHER DO WE.)
…”
– quotation of Mark
Capitalized emphasis is mine.
As always, Mark, you have a most profound and wise commentary; please forgive me for taking a slight exception to the part that I capitalized.
We have no reason to be ashamed. It is not our responsibility. It is not our fault. For all we know, psychotic Asian females act psychotically because they are so busy with their boyfriends consuming illegal drugs together.
You, I, or anyone else cannot fix a psychotic organism.
“…
Conversely, to the extent Asian females have “gotten their game on” with non-AM, bad-mouthed Asian culture/people/society in public venues and prance around with “whomever” (and they do with abandon!), they contributed their fair share.
…”
– quotation of Mark
Please, Mark, allow me to be so bold as to summarize the above quotation:
ASIAN WOMEN ARE WHORES.
Thank you for listening.
237 Straight Asian Man // Dec 5, 2009 at 9:10 pm
You have to understand, that the only way to escape this downtrodden racial state, is to hope that Western society goes down.
Enter within, and destroy from within.
238 Straight Asian Man // Dec 6, 2009 at 5:22 am
The asian female / white male disparity, the fact that asian women are 4X more likely to have STDs than their asian male counterparts, according to a recent sociological study
http://www.bu.edu/phpbin/news-cms/news/?dept=692&id=52827
is evidence that the Western world is corrupt, decadent, and hegemonic — it is discrimminatory and deserving of annihilation. I can totally understand why terrorists and certain heads of state would want to destroy this corrupt series of nations. These manifest destiny pieces of shit deserve to have their power ripped from under them. FUCK THE WHITE MAN = FUCK WESTERN SOCIETY!!!!
Or are you content to live in the sexual scrap heap forever??
239 Nancy // Dec 12, 2009 at 9:48 pm
Okay. This is sickening.
I can understand why Asian men would feel bitter. I’ve seen Asian girls who are (there isn’t anything complex about it) whitewashed. I don’t feel any attraction towards white men, and I’ve always found Asian men very intelligent, understanding, and handsome. But all the bullshit the Engineer is spouting has just made me, to put it simply, angry.
Asian women are not some brand of cyborg. We are humans, and we have our separate environments and thoughts. Please don’t generalize, please don’t say “Asian women are psychotic.” Some Asian women may be psychotic, but the majority of us have a very firm grip on reality.
Oh, and the thing about Asian men discriminating against Asian women with dark skin… it’s true. I do play a lot of sports and enjoy having fun in the sun, and apparently, this is unacceptable. Asian boys have pointed out my dark skin and suggested I watch my complexion. Asian men, like every other human being, are also capable of putting down others and treating people like crap.
240 Contemporary Minority // Dec 18, 2009 at 1:36 pm
Look, I actually can understand why Asian women— actually, most successful, professional minority women will go out with whites — purely, societal acceptance, the chance to climb. I see it in front of my face everyday, and I realize they are only doing it for survival. To live, and have the opportunity to play — that is their only, or at least best choice.
It is a racist, racist, racist world we live in.
We asian men understand you are dating whites for societal acceptance. We may despise it, but we understand the logic behind it. Really, we do.
Just dont lie to us and tell us that it has to do with INTERNAL ATTRIBUTIONS TO OURSELVES. You. Are. Lying.
Look below for more evidence of the subtle and definitive racism we face in the world, and understand that only a racist world would permit sexuality as a commodity to be traded in for climbing the upper echelons of society.
http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1948662,00.html?xid=rss-health&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+time%2Fscienceandhealth+%28TIME%3A+Top+Science+and+Health+Stories%29
241 Mark // Dec 19, 2009 at 4:31 am
Contemporary Minority,
“Look, I actually can understand why Asian women— actually, most successful, professional minority women will go out with whites — purely, societal acceptance, the chance to climb.”
Sure, this is rational, however, Asian women do it far more than other minorities – BUT, this in and of itself may not be problematic if extenuating circumstances exist, such as, Asian women being perceived to have higher value vs. other minorities. And sure enough, this is true. Asian women benefit from the perceived greatness of Asian culture and civilization. So this historical greatness rubs off on the reputation of Asian women. Moreover, Asians generally have more refined features (less hair, light skin, better skin, etc) which is perceived as a feminine quality.
Thus, culturally, physically, historically, intellectually, Asian women have a lot of things going for them and make them more attractive partners then say a sub-Saharan African woman with dark, “masculine” features from a culture with little history of high civilization.
Now, if it was just about this and only this was happening, the world would be rational. But alas, no.
Asian women are known to date EVERYONE/ANYONE. Blacks (including ghetto blacks!), hispanics, Arabs, Indians — goddamn everyone!
They are known by EVERYONE to be the EASIEST lays in town.
Here, I recently ran across this post, but this is just one example among half a dozen at least I’ve come across over the years: http://roissy.wordpress.com/2008/12/15/dont-be-this/
The poster remarks that only with an Asian woman can a guy be such a friggin “beta” loser.
And the comments are filled with non-Asian guys who all agree that Asian women are easy.
So you have this disconnect between Asian women’s high marketable value and low price, ie, they should be making themselves hard to get, but they’re the easiest to get. WTF?!
On top of this, they play hard to get among Asian men, dissing them left and right.
“Look below for more evidence of the subtle and definitive racism we face in the world”
Suble racism exist, to be sure, but I question whether we really need more positive images of blacks in the media. C’mon, don’t they have plenty already? How much more positive images do they want? How far of a gulf do we want to create between the REALITY that are blacks and the FANTASY that we see on tv? I stopped watching television a while ago, so I’m not up with the latest… but almost every commercial would feature a smart, talented, wise black guy and a stupid, goofy white guy. It got to the point for me that it was really annoying.
If I didn’t know better, from tv alone I’d think blacks were half the U.S. population and the smartest, most athletic people on earth!
And every Asian women was hooking up with a white guy.
Wait, that’s just partially true – they’re hooking up with everyone except Asian men (unless they had the misfortune of growing up in Asia, marrying an Asian guy over there, and now living in America)
242 Mark // Dec 19, 2009 at 4:33 am
Nancy,
“Asian women are not some brand of cyborg. We are humans, and we have our separate environments and thoughts. Please don’t generalize, please don’t say “Asian women are psychotic.” Some Asian women may be psychotic, but the majority of us have a very firm grip on reality.”
I don’t think all Asian women are psychotic, but there does seem to be something “wrong”, just as there is something “wrong” within the black community. When you have a large proportion of one gender dating/marrying outside the group, something is evidently wrong. Within the Asian community, it’s the women. Within the black community, it’s the men.
To some extent, I can understand why successful black men seek partners elsewhere. The sad truth is that the black community is f**d up. What successful, sane, rational black man who wants to raise a good family would want to take his chances within a dysfunctional community? No doubt, it’s more complicated than this — as black men are more f*d up than black women (if you look at the stats only: education, jobs), still…
But within the Asian community, you’re seeing just the opposite: Asian women going outside the gruop to marry/date men who are WORSE than Asian men across all criterions. Again, as I said, if Asian women were being super picky and marrying the Moonves’ and Murdochs of the world, then it would all make sense. But NO! Asian women date with NO DISCRIMINATION except to exclude Asian men.
Here’s another thing that lends some credence to the “psychotic Asian” hypothesis: statistically, Asian women suffer high rates of depression. Why? I don’t know … but in Japan and Korea, they do have very high suicide rates. So something is up somewhere.
Moreover, a LOT of Asian women are adoptees. As many as 10% of Korean-Americans are believed to be adoptees (probably mostly females). This may help explain why so many Korean-Americans marry non-Koreans, actually – they’re adopted! They know nothing but white people! And how many little Chinese girls are adoptees? I don’t have a figure for it, but it must be a lot.
And these adopted children, they’re said to suffer from (more so than the average minority, I imagine) IDENTITY CRISIS. In other words, they’re screwed up in the head! No, that doesn’t mean they’re psychotic, but it does suggest high levels of emotional/psychological disturbances among Asian-American women.
Now, you combine high rates of suicide, depression … with whatever issues you have to deal with being a minority (which all minorities go through) … and then being adopted and not knowing who the heck you are? It spells ISSUES.
I think I heard it said that some high official in China once said that sending Chinese baby girls to America would be good marketing for China. But I think it may have backfired: all these adopted baby girls from the old country are dissing their motherland and creating quite a reputation for themselves as self-haters and easy lays.
“Oh, and the thing about Asian men discriminating against Asian women with dark skin… it’s true. I do play a lot of sports and enjoy having fun in the sun, and apparently, this is unacceptable. Asian boys have pointed out my dark skin and suggested I watch my complexion. Asian men, like every other human being, are also capable of putting down others and treating people like crap.”
I’m not sure why this is a big deal unless these guys are being rude about it.
I prefer lighter skin myself (thought darker skin can be attractive too). I used to think it was just cultural/learned/fashion, but I’m beginning to suspect it’s in our genes. Sure, culture/environment/fashion can skew our tastes a bit, but I think that eventually, we return to our biology – we innately prefer lighter skin.
Why? For the same reason why we prefer day to night. Our language is replete with metaphors that praises “the light”. “Darkness” and “night” are always metaphors for evil. Is this a coincidence?
Moreover, light skin is more “feminine” to the extent that light skin allows the other person to read the face, her expressions. It’s harder to see what someone is thinking with your eyes closed, if he has a mask on, or is colored in black. Men, oppositely, want to be inscrutible (beards, being emotionless, helps), unlike women, who want/need to communicate their thoughts.
Through a period of sexual selection (men choosing lighter skin women for mates) both men and women grew lighter over time, I think. Of course, this has its limits. If you live near the equator, you may end up dead without enough melanin.
Anyways, most women want their man to be darker, hairier, bigger, stronger, smarter. Just as oppositely, men want their women to be lighter, less hairy, smaller, weaker, and certainly not smarter than him.
It’s just a theory. Don’t hold me to it.
243 Mark // Dec 19, 2009 at 4:34 am
Straight Asian Man,
“The asian female / white male disparity, the fact that asian women are 4X more likely to have STDs than their asian male counterparts, according to a recent sociological study
http://www.bu.edu/phpbin/news-cms/news/?dept=692&id=52827”
This is pretty damning stuff. Asian-American women should be freakin embarrassed and ashamed.
4 to 1? And higher incidence of STDs than whites?
Evidently, Asian-American women and Asian men are not sleeping together!
Plus, I resent how the author blames the damn thing on Asian culture! It’s always the scapegoat for Asian women’s problems! Gosh, learn to take some responsiblity! Did their daddies or their culture tell them to sleep around with Manni, Moe and Jack and catch STD’s??? Geeez.
Also, I hope the statistics reflect Asian-AMERICAN women, not ALL ASIAN women living in America. I really hope not…
By the way, Straight Asian Man, this is just friendly advice, but you should try not to be so angry. It’s not that bad being an Asian guy. Being angry just hurts yourself. If the media is getting on your nerves, just stop watching television. Disconnect from popular culture. It’s just rot anyways. Read a book or surf the internet instead.
I stopped watching television about a year ago and I don’t miss it one bit.
244 Mark // Dec 19, 2009 at 4:36 am
The Engineer,
“Please allow me to make a declaration to all my Asian brothers:
WE SHALL NOW PURSUE CAUCASIAN WOMEN TO BE OUR GIRLFRIENDS, OUR WIVES, AND OUR MOTHERS OF OUR CHILDREN.
Let us choose Caucasian women that measure up to our standards that we want for girlfriends, wives, and mothers.
Let us treat them accordingly. We shall be gentlemen, friends, confidants, lovers, supporters, nurturers, soul mates to them. They deserve it.”
This is good advice. I think Asian men should not limit themselves to Asian women.
One problem though: American women in general all seem to be a little psychotic compared to women from the rest of the world.
245 Contemporary Minority // Dec 19, 2009 at 2:16 pm
Mark, your refutations suck. I havent even read halfway through your bullshit to know that 1) you have some sort of intelligence-inferiority complex that is forcing you to mangle and horribly misuse SAT vocabulary into your conversation.
Now, 2) Asian women date mainly white men — and MAINLY date white men. You claim asian women will date anything under the sun not Asian. I disagree. In fact, I more than disagree — Im calling you a fucking liar. Asian women are valued because they are a sexual commodity. Asian women probably date outside their race at the same rate, if I know Asian women — less, than white women date non-whites; with the exception of the white man. This is an obvious perception.
You know what I hate? Manipulative people like you, pushing your agendas with FALSE facts. There was an article about manipulative people– how they try to promote their agendas by promoting LIES as fact. Like you. Youre nothing but a WHITE FUCKING MALE with, ultimately, a fragile ego bent on preserving your false hegemony.
Asian women go with white for societal acceptance. White men go for asian women because asian women offer their sexuality as a commodity, and are also upwardly mobile — and believe they can obtain that upward mobility successfully. Black women, successful and attractive black women may do the same, but many may feel as though they will not be accepted by the white community and henceforth may not try as hard. Other minority women may feel the same. The minority women who do date white will do so because they believe, they know they will achieve monetary success and status dating whites and fitting into white society.
Mark, youre basically trying to argue the inherent inferiority of asian men. I reject this, and I reject you. It may be true that it is futile to react with anger against an established hegemon. But the truth be told, it is white society, the WHITE MALE, and WESTERN HEGEMONY that is the culprit of this dating inequity, and more deeply, a glimpse of this hypocritical, fake egalitarian society.
So FUCK YOU.
246 Contemporary Minority // Dec 19, 2009 at 2:28 pm
Lol, geez. Yer an asian guy, arent you Mark. That switches the whole tone of the conversation, though not the validity of it. I thought you were a white guy. And I hate white guys — not all but the ones that represent.. you know. I know, it’s a bias. But trust me, it’s justified, it’s well deserved.
You say asian women will date outwardly with anyone? Again, they use their sexuality as a commodity. Besides, I havent seen this. It’s definitely geared towards white guys. All others, you can call them flukes — it’s just some kind of self-actualization bullshit. I still disagree with you here, they dont date non-whites / non-asians more.
Just hope Bin Laden blows up more of America, with the exception of us. Fucking America and the strength of the West is what is keeping Asian men and all the other minorities back. Whites rule because of their colonialist past and their strategic attempts to curtail the rest of the world. But one day they will be fucked. Meanwhile, scratch out what you best can. If youre awesome, maybe you can make like Obama, gain acceptance, and change from within.
247 Straight Asian Man // Dec 19, 2009 at 2:36 pm
You are right, anger doesnt solve anything. But I cant help feel the way I feel. And we are limited in what we can do, I cannot fight the tide of society. I live my life and do my part to whatever it is I am compelled to do.
248 Straight Asian Man // Dec 19, 2009 at 2:37 pm
Suicide bombers attack the West not because they truly want to die, but because they are compelled to fight for the preservation of their religion.
I do not hate white men because I want to, but only because they are deserving of it.
249 TheQueenisawhore // Dec 23, 2009 at 12:50 pm
The West is currently waging a war against non-white countries and cultures. They have effective whitewashed their history and made the world follows their standards.
Asian women dating Caucasian males is the cumination of century of white imperialism, chauvanism, and racism.
Most of these couples are symbol of white imperialism, from the military bases in the Pacific to the War in Vietnam, and the colonial legacy of Asia, White males have always tried to sell their version of “White is right”.
Suicide Bombers in the Middles are the resistance against Western Imperialism. No doubt they feel these white devils are trying to destroy every ounce of dignity they have. better to die in dignity than to be a slave. Black people should have learned that long ago, maybe they would still be somewhere, instead of the bottom barrel of American society.
250 TheQueenisawhore // Dec 23, 2009 at 12:56 pm
Damn, Asian women have higher rate of STD than white women. Asian women also are 4X rate of STD than Asian men.
I guessed it is true. Don’t go for Asian women who been with whites, since white dude fuck everything that moves. You might get STD’s.
251 Heather // Jan 2, 2010 at 9:54 pm
I honestly didn’t scan through all the comments to see if anyone else mentioned this, but white girls have a good amount of resentment towards this, too. I have had many conversations with my friends about Asian girls “taking our men.”
Just something to chew on.
252 Proud Asian Man // Jan 7, 2010 at 3:32 am
To all asian males
We need to reject asian females who reject asian brothers. More importantly, we need to reject the “C’mon asian men be more aggressive! Start hitting on more women and show us you have a bigger cock than that! By the way you’re too short!”
We need to realize that these asian females, whitewashed, white-worshipping, self-hating individuals, fail to see that this archetype they expect us to follow is exactly who they put on the pedestal: a douchebag, white-caucasian frat boy guibo.
Maybe they’re traumatized by relationships with their father, or family expectations where they were somehow marginalized in being an individual.
What they also fail to realize is that by tending to the White Man’s needs they fit that exact stereotype of the submissive dragon female.
So you know what, asian men? Fuck them. Is this really an issue? Do you really have to sit there and cry about that ditzy asian chick sleeping with that smelly white asshole? People shouldn’t be telling you, Grow Some Balls, people should be telling you, you’re fly as fuck. Just because you aren’t naturally fit into this stupid ass American society where a male is seen as a perpetually horny gorilla whose main aim in life is to reproduce at the age of 20 who gives a fuck? Like Malcolm X said, who taught you to hate yourself? Who the fuck taught you to bend over and try to be someone you aren’t?
If Asian-American women can’t see your potential which goes so much further than walking around with your cock hanging out of your pants, then why give it more than a second’s notice?
Black women love us better anyway.
Be the fuck yourself, and fuck whoever hates you for you.
253 The Engineer // Jan 7, 2010 at 9:06 pm
Excellent commentary, Mark, and thank you, Straight Asian Man, for your weblink.
Here is another weblink that relates to Hahm’s study:
“Unmasking the myth: Asian-American Women & STDs”
“Not all stereotypes are fair, but if Professor Hahm’s research is true, the loose and easy reputation that follows Asian-American women may be sad but befitting”
http://hanopolis.com/?articleNo=1142&Unmasking-the-myth-Asian-American-Women-STDs
Some excerpts:
“…
Shocking? Yes, only to the extent we’ve been told by the experts that they’re rate of STDs was low, but not if you consider their infamous dating habits, high exogamy rate and the hyper sexual reputation that precedes them.
…
But the old and (very) tiresome scapegoat, Asian culture, when explaining all that ails Asian-American women only deflects personal responsibility in a postmodern feminist age. And maybe, rather than Asian culture being to blame, perhaps the underlying reasons can be better found in their unhealthy level of desire to fit in to Western society, their converse rejection of their fathers’ culture and the blind adoption of what they perceive to be American culture.
…
Beyond question, it wasn’t their parents’ culture that taught them to sleep around with Tom, Tyrone and Jose with unprotected sex instead of Jin, Min and Kang. And although sleeping with the latter group of boys wouldn’t make them any more chaste, they would at least not be suffering 4x more STDs than their male counterparts and a 73%
HIGHER RATE THAN THEIR WHITE FEMALE COUNTERPARTS.
…”
The capitalized emphasis is mine, and it is important to repeat:
[(Psychotic) Asian females have a] 73% HIGHER RATE [of sexually transmitted diseases] THAN THEIR WHITE FEMALE COUNTERPARTS.
Again, please allow me to make a declaration to all my Asian brothers:
WE SHALL NOW PURSUE CAUCASIAN WOMEN TO BE OUR GIRLFRIENDS, OUR WIVES, AND OUR MOTHERS OF OUR CHILDREN.
Let us choose Caucasian women that measure up to our standards that we want for girlfriends, wives, and mothers.
Let us treat them accordingly. We shall be gentlemen, friends, confidants, lovers, supporters, nurturers, soul mates to them. They deserve it.
Our good health may depend on this choice.
I believe that the Psychotic Asian Female Theory (PAFT) needs expansion:
1. Asian females are psychotic.
2. Asian females are drug addicts.
3. Asian females are whores.
4. Asian females are diseased.
and so the Psychotic Asian Female Theory continues development…
Thank you for listening.
254 Jazz // Jan 13, 2010 at 9:13 pm
Im and asian guy but I dont date asian girls cuz im afraid I might be related to them. Plus theyre kind of small and short. Theyre also too shy and they never approach you in clubs or bars. Plus, hapa babies are so cute and I want one.
255 The Engineer // Jan 16, 2010 at 11:23 am
Here is an interesting weblink:
“Skin Lightening/ Whitening, is the most common Mental illness in the World”
http://www.prlog.org/10342590-skin-lightening-whitening-is-the-most-common-mental-illness-in-the-world.html
A few excerpts:
“…
“That wig is a symbol of the black person’s self hatred!” I bellowed with intense emotion, a tight knot of disgust forming in my belly. “That is something Malcolm X spoke about in the 1950’s when he referred to the use of the conk and wigs of white women’s hair by blacks as symptoms of the self hatred of the black race. Anyone who wears that wig is mentally ill, and they suffer from a severe form of mental illness to which the psychiatrist ascribes the name Alienation of the Existential Self…”
…
Self hatred leads to self destruction in all its forms- addiction, suicide, mental illness, crime, depression, eating disorders, etc. At no point in history have white women attempted to wear wigs of black women’s hair, nor do white women make the attempt to speak in African or Asian accents. This is a mental illness that affects non white people only.
There are many other symptoms of this kind of self hatred. Many Africans, African Americans, other blacks and Asians bleach their skins in an attempt to look white, many others who have even never been to Europe or USA go to great lengths to speak in European and American accents. Light skinned African/ Asian women are considered to be more beautiful than black/ darker skinned women by Asian African men, and many African/ Asian women are increasingly suffering from eating disorders like Bulimia and Anorexia because they want to transform their African/ Asian morphologies into White ones!
…
Asians are facing a similar trend- 4 out of 10 women in Hong Kong, Malaysia, Philippines, South Korea and Taiwan use a skin-whitening cream. “Every Thai girl thinks that if she has white skin the money will come and the men will come.” said Nithiwadi Phuchareuyot, a doctor who prescribes skin bleaching creams at a clinic in Bangkok. In Thailand and many other Asian countries, the hatred of a non white skin is rooted in their languages. One common insult is “tua dam,” or black body- it is a rude term used to degrade people of lower social standing. Similar words are “e dam” (black girl) or “dam tap pet” (black like a duck’s liver). As a black African, I was constantly a victim of racism in Bangladesh. My experiences are available at: http://www.selflove.zoomshare.com/0.html
A recent study revealed that 61 percent of Asians in Hong Kong, Malaysia, the Philippines, South Korea and Taiwan said they felt they looked younger with a fair complexion. It also revealed that half of Filipino women, 45 percent of Hong Kong women and 41 percent of Malaysian women were currently using a skin-whitening product. “Everybody else basically wants white skin,” said Leeyong Soo, the international fashion coordinator at Vogue Nippon (Japan). The Ancient Chinese used to say that, “one white covers up three ugliness”.
…”
Thank you for listening.
256 Karp // Jan 16, 2010 at 9:21 pm
Im an Asian guy and Ive totally given up on asian women. I mean…whats the point of trying to talk to them when you know they wont even give you a chance just cuz your an asian dude. Its a huge waste of time. Most of the girls I go for now are non-Asian and all asian guys should do the same.
257 Straight Asian Man // Jan 23, 2010 at 10:15 pm
Remember America is an artificial place — I know you were born in it, but its not real. They dont accept you, you have no stake in it. Grab what shit you can, and think in the back of your mind how to help Asia improve, perhaps one day overtake the fucking USA.
The USA is full of hypocrisy. They profess freedom of speech, yet they are attempting to kill a Yemeni-American Imam, born in the US, who has done nothing wrong except having spoken out against the USA and inspired Middle Easterners against the West. They allow free speech, only when that freedom serves their own domination.
258 Nancy // Jan 26, 2010 at 3:59 pm
I am a proud Chinese American woman and I’ve noticed something about Asian men and women.
Both are putting down their own race.
If you go on any website, if one person even mentions “Polish women are sluts!” a Polish man will immediately reply furiously refuting this comment.
An Asian man however, would agree with whoever says “Asian women are sluts” and then write a sarcastic post listing all the occasions proving this.
The same goes for Asian women. Many chase white men, and mostly end up with pimple covered greasy nerds.
I however, have never met an Asian woman who would give herself up so easily. We are raised by our parents and culture, and I wish more Asians would take pride and cherish their heritage. No one cares how many white girls you can hunt down in a bar. No one cares about your great success in snatching an open minded white woman and making ten hapa babies.
I can hardly find any honorable, proud Asian on any of these kinds of websites anymore. I think Asian men are just as white washed. They will just as readily insult and tear apart Asian womens’ pride as white chasing Asian women would do to theirs. Asian men openly glare at me in the bus without me having to do a single thing.
259 Eric // Jan 26, 2010 at 5:28 pm
Nancy, you may have a point. When I see an asian woman on campus I tend to walk the other way. You never know which ones are asian man haters and which ones aren’t.
260 The Engineer // Jan 26, 2010 at 6:46 pm
The guy finally pleads not guilty, twice:
one, for the original murder charge;
two, for the new charge of felony murder.
“Accused Yale Killer Hit With New Murder Charge”
“Clark Pleads Not Guilty in Murder of Grad Student Annie Le”
by Emily Friedman, Jan. 26, 2010
http://abcnews.go.com/US/accused-yale-murderer-ray-clark-entered-guilty-plea/story?id=9664901
A few excerpts:
“…
Felony murder is defined under Connecticut state law as a homicide that occurs during a felony offense, such as rape or kidnapping. Under the law, prosecutors do not have to prove that a killing was intentional.
…
The next court date is March 3, when the judge will hear arguements [sic] about whether to unseal a search warrant issued after Clark’s Sept. 17 arrest.
…”
Thank you for listening.
261 The Engineer // Jan 26, 2010 at 6:52 pm
“Im an Asian guy and Ive totally given up on asian women. I mean…whats the point of trying to talk to them when you know they wont even give you a chance just cuz your an asian dude. Its a huge waste of time. Most of the girls I go for now are non-Asian and all asian guys should do the same.
”
– quotation by Karp.
“…When I see an asian woman on campus I tend to walk the other way. You never know which ones are asian man haters and which ones aren’t.”
– quotation by Eric.
Well said, Gentlemen; very well said.
Thank you for listening.
262 Asian Man // Jan 29, 2010 at 9:26 pm
Eric: Agreed, I do the same thing. Didnt know it was others as well, thought it was just me.
I just stare directly ahead, I dont need to see them turn away from me, or whatever. You cant take anything more from me, asian women, I care only about me, myself and I. You all can go to Hell.
263 Asian guy // Jan 30, 2010 at 5:22 am
Resent my fellow Asian women for going for white men? Not at all. In fact I seek to avenge my Asian brothers who have lost their Asian women to the white guys by getting some white girls myself.
264 Sarina // Jan 30, 2010 at 5:10 pm
@hrhkat,
Most Asian girls are flat, but do you see much White men with flat chest girl? Hmm… I don’t think so. I see mostly the White men are very selective. They steal hottes girl from Asian guy and leavesyou with flat chest. Asian girl
withWhite guy love sex as much as giving.
I am Asian girl dating White guy. I like him because he’s hot, a perfect body, easy to get along and communicate. He makes me feel like I am worth everything. He complements my Asian JLO ass all the time. He would encourage me to take good care of my body, show off my clevages…so other guys would be jealous. White guy know how to admire & appreciate the beauty around them. That’s all it matter.
I didn’t like being with Asian male, because too much “Do & Don’t” for just to make them have the respect from family and the community. They don’t really have much demand for themselves… They don’t really express much feeling about love, relationship and sex.
I don’t think White male are better than Asian male. I date them because they treat me like I’m all that… I am all that! and you can’t get that kind of compliment from Asian guy.
If I could live a million years to date White & Asian males…I will try to find out which is better.
I think dating is about who attract me the most. What I like about…and how I like it… If I could control my feeling…it wouldn’t be a White & Asian male issues. Why should it be? Why don’t you all go out your own way and get it your ways!
265 Sarina // Jan 30, 2010 at 7:43 pm
@The Engineer,
You wrote so much crabs about Asian girl.
I see, you must be really, really ugly or a nerd. You spend so much time bs on internet. You must have been reject many times from Asian girl or have social issue.
When Asian girl don’t look at you, it mean “you don’t attract her attn enough” …don’t be cheap…get a make over and read a book or do research on “How to get a girl to notice you 101″ and less time with internet. Hate is for guy like you…cauz you can’t get anything…hahaha
266 Sarina // Jan 30, 2010 at 8:04 pm
@Karp,
Hey moron,
what happened is other races reject you ?
what if everyone that you came across reject you?
Are you gonna be gay?
Growup! Ppl who try hard…they’ll get somthin… and learn more, and have more experiences…
Do some research on how to get a girl to notice you. Maybe you learn some …and get something…
267 Asian-Kantian // Feb 6, 2010 at 1:51 am
Sarina, you are a fool, cant you see you are hurting yourself? All other ethnicities have some sort of community, some sort of unity, but if you want to throw it away and give it up to the wind, one day youll be hurt… and youll realize how alone you really are.
And Engineer has a right to feel hurt, and post the way he does. You have NO IDEA what kind of horrible pressures Asian men face in America. Its a societal thing.
268 Asian-Kantian // Feb 6, 2010 at 1:52 am
Sarina, you are a fool, cant you see you are hurting yourself? All other ethnicities have some sort of community, some sort of unity, but if you want to throw it away and give it up to the wind, one day youll be hurt… and youll realize how alone you really are.
And Engineer has a right to feel hurt, and post the way he does. You have NO IDEA what kind of horrible pressures Asian men face in America. Its a societal thing. Engineer, you are alright.
269 Asian-Kantian // Feb 6, 2010 at 1:56 am
Btw hate is not just for guys who cant get any. I have a girlfriend, that loves me, and I still hate the horrible state our society is in, I hate the racial prejudice we face in the dating scene, I hate the arrogant attitudes many white men dating asian women give off. i see the awful attitudes that asian american women give off, and it makes me come to the realization that multiculturalism is a mistake.
Hate is a reaction towards injustice. And this society is very, very unjust.
270 Andy // Feb 6, 2010 at 8:10 am
Hey guys, I hate to say it but a lot of you need to MAN UP and stop caving in to the pressure. I see some asian guys where I can tell they are letting society get the best of them and frankly they look downright embarrasing. I want to pull them aside and shake them and tell them to wake up. Yes, we it does seem as though we have to go through more adversity. Deal with it! Adversity only makes you stronger. Get out of your head and start living in the real world.
And if you ever come across an asian woman that seems to be looking down upon you, back away and never have anything to do with them ever again. Those women are on the wrong side of the train tracks. I feel the wind starting to blow our way and these malicious wenches who are helping maintain the good ‘ol boy network should not be allowed back onboard our ship at any cost.
271 The Engineer // Feb 9, 2010 at 1:15 pm
Very well said, Asian Man, Asian guy, Asian-Kantian, and Andy; very well said.
Thank you, Asian-Kantian, for your support.
It may be still too early to determine if multiculturalism is a fault, but I do agree that, as of now, there appears to be more negatives than positives for multiculturalism.
There is a plethora of weblinks and web-opinions that more race mixing has led to more acrimony among the races.
In the case of psychotic Asian females, I believe they have become more racist simply because of:
1. psychotic predisposition
“Is Extreme Racism a Mental Illness?
Yes
It can be a delusional symptom of
psychotic disorders”
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1071634/
2. proximity to individuals (Caucasian boyfriends/husbands) who foment the adverse effects of that psychotic predisposition.
3. influence from mass media that promotes stereotypical and mostly negative views of Asian men.
I quite sure that readers of this forum can add many more causes to the above list.
I would like to take this moment to address my Asian brothers on this important point:
That previous psychotic female, who recently attempted to rebut my comments to this forum, made the erroneous assumption that I have been rejected by ALL women. She also assumes that she has SEEN me (this is obviously and patently false, since I am only a written voice on the Internet).
I have made it clear in previous postings that Caucasian women have made many approaches toward me, and had I not been brainwashed into believing that I should pursue and Asian female, I would be happily be with a Caucasian woman now (currently, I am looking, and the only problem (if it is a problem) is that are so many choices).
My recommendation to all my Asian brothers is this:
Compared to Asian females, Caucasian women are a better match for us because Caucasian women are more:
1. Mentally stable.
2. Enculturated and mannerly.
3. Educated.
4. Healthy.
5. Pretty.
6. Sexy.
7. Sociable.
8. Wealthy.
I am quite sure that many of my Asian brothers can add to the above list.
Thank you for listening.
272 sarina // Feb 12, 2010 at 12:52 am
@Asian-Kantian,
There are billion of Asian ppl on this planet. If you can’t get one in America, go back to your country and get one! If it bother you ppl, you guys shoud move back to where ever you came from…cauz then you’ll only see Asians dating Asian. Simple!
Race is only as big deal as you make it. I don’t care about race, it who you’re compatible with.
273 Angela // Feb 13, 2010 at 7:18 pm
Okay, I noticed a lot of post about Asians in genral dating whites. I wonder why is that so high. I am all for dating people who you are attracted too however, Asian men dating black women are small. What is wrong with dating black women? We are always last. Not a good feeling at all when people uses Hollywood and media as some sort of bible.
274 Angela // Feb 13, 2010 at 7:21 pm
Ahh, I feel like crap…LOL!! No, but really, I can’t help but to say WOW! Are black women really perceived as the worst? I don’t know.
275 System Fx // Feb 14, 2010 at 4:45 pm
I’m a white woman , 30 and I only want to date Asain men.
They plain out treat you better =)
276 Mark // Feb 15, 2010 at 12:33 am
Nancy,
I empathize with you. And I understand where you’re coming from.
Critiziing your own is not easy. It’s hard and it’s embarrassing. It’s taking out your dirty laundry and putting it on display for the world to see. It’s ugly and shameful. And usually, only a moron does that.
But it’s high time Asians come face-to-face with this issue. Asian American men have tolerated and put up with the nonsense by Asian women for DECADES.
Even this piece of garbage article (#95 Resenting Asian Women for Dating Caucasian Males) is dated Oct. 13, 2008. When I first came on here, NO ONE was taking the stance that I take and many others now seem to be taking: They were virtually all on the side of “personal choice”, “freedom”, “push it under the rug”, “blame Asian men”.
It’s clear now that the tide has shifted. I’m happy to witness the AWAKENING. Like you, I see that Asian men and some women have woken up and are beginning to realize that what’s going on in the Asian community is NOT RIGHT. It’s UGLY. And it’s wrong that Asian women routinely mock, ridicule, dis and put-down Asian men. And it’s gotta stop. NOW.
For years, silence and make-believe didn’t work. Now, we (Asian men) must speak up and push back. We must teach our children, our cousins, our sisters — that if they choose to date/marry a non-Asian man, then they should do so knowing the social ramifications of that action and what that bespeaks.
Love is tough enough without having to consider society, I agree, and at the end of the day, love is really all that matters, I agree. Still, this knowledge must be shared and known to everyone. No Asian woman should plead ignorance to this fact. They all need to know the context in which they act, speak and conduct their lives in the U.S. and even around the globe. They need to understand that when they date that white guy, black guy, Mexican guy, Arab guy, they should do so with at least a LITTLE BIT of reservation. And when men (in general) call them “sluts”, they should understand where that stereotype comes from. And when Asian men look askance at her as she walks hand in hand with that white/black/hispanic fellow, they UNDERSTAND WHY. And they realize that it’s not the Asian guy who is RACIST but probably THEY.
There was also a write up recently in the NY Times about the dating site, OkCupid.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/13/technology/internet/13cupid.html?em
So I was browsing through the site and their blog.
Specifically, this one here caught my attention: http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/2009/10/05/your-race-affects-whether-people-write-you-back/comment-page-22/#comment-7806
Here’s what one black commentor (David) wrote:
“In New York, where I’m from, most of the asian women I’ve known as friends have told me they are primarily interested in dating white men. After that, latin/spanish, after that black, after that asian. Yes, asian men were consistently at the bottom of their list. I’ve even had a fair amount of asian women in NYC tell me that they don’t find asian men attractive–which frankly blows my mind that one could say such a thing about their own ethnic brothers. And these weren’t just gold digging, fresh off the boat types, many of these women have their own money, were raised to respect their own (korean, japanese, chinese) culture. Nevertheless, in NYC, asian women overwhelmingly prefer white men. I’m not an asian man, but this situation sickens me.”
Clearly, the fact that Asian American women have disowned their brothers is common knowledge. It’s way past time pretending it doesn’t exist and trying to hide the dirty laundry. The muck is out there already. The only responsible thing to do now is take responsibility for it and that means, first, admitting it exists, and holding people to account.
277 Mark // Feb 15, 2010 at 12:36 am
Contemporary Minority,
“Now, 2) Asian women date mainly white men — and MAINLY date white men.”
Agree. And as they naturally should, since there are a lot more whites in America.
“You claim asian women will date anything under the sun not Asian. I disagree.”
When it is said that Asian women “don’t date Asian men”, this is speaking relatively. Of course Asian women, AS A WHOLE, date Asian men. But there is a significant number of Asian women who won’t date Asian men and they’re very vocal about it. Statistically, these women tend to be 2nd generation+ Asian Americans, born and raised in the U.S. If my memory serves me, if you’re an Asian women born and raised in the U.S., the chances are, you’re marrying non-Asian! (And it’s not simply because of the “magic of love”)
“In fact, I more than disagree — Im calling you a fucking liar.”
I believe my eyes. I see Asian women with EVERYONE.
“And I hate white guys”
I’m not sure why many people seem to blame the “guys”. Frankly, guys are just being guys — they’ll screw whatever is available. I don’t blame white, black, hispanic, Arab or whomever for dating or screwing Asian women. They’re just doing what guys do. However, if they (the guys) dis Asian men, sure, then there’s a problem.
Anyways, who I blame are Asian women. Because it is ALWAYS up to the woman to practice DISCRIMINATION. Being EASY is NOT hard.
Secondly, I blame us all, because to the extent we are a community and we are all connected by history, blood, experience and culture, we’ve contributed somehow to creating these monsters.
278 Mark // Feb 15, 2010 at 12:54 am
Angela,
“I am all for dating people who you are attracted too however, Asian men dating black women are small. What is wrong with dating black women? We are always last.”
I feel sorry for black women almost as much as I do for Asian men. However, you must understand that broadly speaking, black women, like black men, are not ideal partners. Why? I think the dysfunctional nature of the black community speaks for itself.
But ultimately, we are all individuals, of course, and against that dysfunctional backdrop, there are certainly many many attractive, smart and desirable black women. And what open-minded man wouldn’t want to date such a woman?
Separately, an additional issue with black women is that they CHOOSE not to date outside their ethnic group. For some reason, relative to black men, they seem to feel some kind of loyalty to black men when black men seem to have no problem dating whomever and whatever.
I think it would behoove black women to begin looking outside their group as much as it would behoove Asian men to do likewise. As it currently stands, neither black men nor Asian women deserve our loyalties.
279 Mark // Feb 15, 2010 at 1:02 am
Asian-Kantian,
“I hate the arrogant attitudes many white men dating asian women give off. i see the awful attitudes that asian american women give off, and it makes me come to the realization that multiculturalism is a mistake.
Hate is a reaction towards injustice. And this society is very, very unjust.”
Unfortunately, yours are rare observations from a woman. Good to know there are women like you out there.
280 JJ // Feb 15, 2010 at 5:24 am
@Mark, what’s wrong with you? Did she not say that she wanted to date outside her ethnic group? And I’m glad you believe neither black nor asian women deserve your loyalties. It’s not like you don’t have lots and lots of leverage. Yep…
281 Asian guy // Feb 15, 2010 at 4:41 pm
Anyways, we Asian guys should stop resenting Asian women for going for white guys. We should either become more active with white women if we’re going to live in America or just suck it up and die virgins.
282 Mark // Feb 16, 2010 at 12:04 pm
-Asian guy,
“Anyways, we Asian guys should stop resenting Asian women for going for white guys. We should either become more active with white women if we’re going to live in America or just suck it up and die virgins.”
This is a wrong view.
Why?
Because to the extent Asian women seek outside partners as a result of their own self-hatred and animus towards their own heritage, it reflects a dysfunctional, unhealthy and neurotic self-view, mentality and psychological state. And this is not something we can simply ignore because it is our sisters, cousins and daughters that are becoming this way as they grow up in America.
Furthermore, the admonition that Asian men should seek more partners outside their own group is not in order encourage a similar form of self-hatred but actually to encourage a healthy broadening of their dating circle inasmuch as we live in a multi-ethnic society and limiting oneself to just one’s own group is reflective of parochialism.
283 Mark // Feb 16, 2010 at 12:06 pm
Nancy,
I empathize with you. And I understand where you’re coming from.
Criticizing your own is not easy. It’s hard and it’s embarrassing. It’s taking out your dirty laundry and putting it on display for the world to see. It’s ugly and shameful. And usually, only a moron does that.
But it’s high time Asians come face-to-face with this issue. Asian American men have tolerated and put up with the nonsense by Asian women for DECADES.
Even this piece of garbage article (#95 Resenting Asian Women for Dating Caucasian Males) is dated Oct. 13, 2008. When I first came on here, NO ONE was taking the stance that I take and many others now seem to be taking: They were virtually all on the side of “personal choice”, “freedom”, “push it under the rug”, “blame Asian men”.
It’s clear now that the tide has shifted. I’m happy to witness the AWAKENING. Like you, I see that Asian men and some women have woken up and are beginning to realize that what’s going on in the Asian community is NOT RIGHT. It’s UGLY. And it’s wrong that Asian women routinely mock, ridicule, dis and put-down Asian men. And it’s gotta stop. NOW.
For years, silence and make-believe didn’t work. Now, we (Asian men) must speak up and push back. We must teach our children, our cousins, our sisters — that if they choose to date/marry a non-Asian man, then they should do so knowing the social ramifications of that action and what that bespeaks.
Love is tough enough without having to consider society, I agree, and at the end of the day, love is really all that matters, I agree. Still, this knowledge must be shared and known to everyone. No Asian woman should plead ignorance to this fact. They all need to know the context in which they act, speak and conduct their lives in the U.S. and even around the globe. They need to understand that when they date that white guy, black guy, Mexican guy, Arab guy, they should do so with at least a LITTLE BIT of reservation. And when men (in general) call them “sluts”, they should understand where that stereotype comes from. And when Asian men look askance at her as she walks hand in hand with that white/black/hispanic fellow, they UNDERSTAND WHY. And they realize that it’s not the Asian guy who is RACIST but probably THEY.
There was also a write up recently in the NY Times about the dating site, OkCupid.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/13/technology/internet/13cupid.html?em
So I was browsing through the site and their blog.
Specifically, this one here caught my attention: http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/2009/10/05/your-race-affects-whether-people-write-you-back/comment-page-22/#comment-7806
Here’s what one black commentor (David) wrote:
“In New York, where I’m from, most of the asian women I’ve known as friends have told me they are primarily interested in dating white men. After that, latin/spanish, after that black, after that asian. Yes, asian men were consistently at the bottom of their list. I’ve even had a fair amount of asian women in NYC tell me that they don’t find asian men attractive–which frankly blows my mind that one could say such a thing about their own ethnic brothers. And these weren’t just gold digging, fresh off the boat types, many of these women have their own money, were raised to respect their own (korean, japanese, chinese) culture. Nevertheless, in NYC, asian women overwhelmingly prefer white men. I’m not an asian man, but this situation sickens me.”
Clearly, the fact that Asian American women have disowned their brothers is common knowledge. It’s way past time pretending it doesn’t exist and trying to hide the dirty laundry. The muck is out there already. The only responsible thing to do now is take responsibility for it and that means, first, admitting it exists, and holding people to account.
284 Ryan Friday // Feb 16, 2010 at 9:08 pm
And after almost two years, you peeps are still commenting on this article even now. Thanks for the support!
any questions or comments directed to me, drop an email
285 John // Feb 19, 2010 at 10:01 pm
@Nancy, I call Bullshit. I have never heard any Asian guy put down Asian girls, but I have heard plenty of Asian girls in the media and in life put down Asian guys.
Coupled that with high rate of sell-outism by Asian women to whites, do you have to wonder why Asian guys don’t give a fuck about Asian girls.
Why the hell do we have stand up for a group of people who puts us down? For race? Asian girls forgot that a long time a go.
286 Nancy // Feb 21, 2010 at 11:02 am
@John, I also call bullshit. Asian men don’t put down Asian women? You’re kidding me, right? Have you read all the comments posted on this site? Asian women are also doing Asian men wrong by dating outside their race and putting them down. I’m saying we’re BOTH doing it. But it’s bullshit to say that Asian men aren’t. My point is that I just wish Asian women would stop putting down their men and that Asian men would stop putting down their women. Websites are full of posts filled with negativity about Asian women. Have you read “Stuff Black People Hate?” You are just helping to perpetuate the stereotype that Asian men are nerds and Asian women are shameless whores.
287 Nancy // Feb 21, 2010 at 11:26 am
Reading these comments make me so MAD.
Asian Guy was pretty sensible. If there’s an Asian woman treating you badly, then you should IGNORE her. I don’t think most Asian women are like this. I’ve never felt anything for any white, black, hispanic, or whatever that’s not Asian. I love Asian guys. All my Asian friends LOVE Asian guys. I don’t know what the hell you’re talking about. I live in New York, maybe it’s different for Asian Americans in other states. I don’t know. But all this hatred directed towards Asian women (which includes ME) is so hurtful, damning, and it shames me. It’s like “Asian woman” equates to “sell-out fake prostitute,” ESPECIALLY on the internet. I’ve yet to read anything positive about Asian women on any website so far. The Engineer, Mark, you make me want to puke. Can’t get any from Asian girls? Then you must be as cruel in real life as you are on the internet. I’ve never met an Asian girl who would refuse a kind and thoughtful Asian man, considering that she’s made of the same stuff.
We share the same heritage, culture, and general appearance. I don’t think there should be this division among Asian men and women. For me, Asian men are the most handsome, loving, kind, and intelligent men on the planet. I know most Asian women should think this way as well. Asian men who can’t find love amongst their own kind must not have enough love for themselves.
288 Mark // Feb 22, 2010 at 1:59 am
(Attempt to repost!)
Nancy,
“I am a proud Chinese American woman and I’ve noticed something about Asian men and women. Both are putting down their own race.”
….
I empathize with you. And I understand where you’re coming from.
Criticizing your own is not easy. It’s hard and it’s embarrassing. It’s taking out your dirty laundry and putting it on display for the world to see. It’s ugly and shameful. And usually, only a moron does that.
But it’s high time Asians come face-to-face with this issue. Asian American men have tolerated and put up with the nonsense by Asian women for DECADES.
Even this piece of garbage article (#95 Resenting Asian Women for Dating Caucasian Males) is dated Oct. 13, 2008. When I first came on here, NO ONE was taking the stance that I take and many others now seem to be taking: They were virtually all on the side of “personal choice”, “freedom”, “push it under the rug”, “blame Asian men”.
It’s clear now that the tide has shifted. I’m happy to witness the AWAKENING. Like you, I see that Asian men and some women have woken up and are beginning to realize that what’s going on in the Asian community is NOT RIGHT. It’s UGLY. And it’s wrong that Asian women routinely mock, ridicule, dis and put-down Asian men. And it’s gotta stop. NOW.
For years, silence and make-believe didn’t work. Now, we (Asian men) must speak up and push back. We must teach our children, our cousins, our sisters — that if they choose to date/marry a non-Asian man, then they should do so knowing the social ramifications of that action and what that bespeaks.
Love is tough enough without having to consider society, I agree, and at the end of the day, love is really all that matters, I agree. Still, this knowledge must be shared and known to everyone. No Asian woman should plead ignorance to this fact. They all need to know the context in which they act, speak and conduct their lives in the U.S. and even around the globe. They need to understand that when they date that white guy, black guy, Mexican guy, Arab guy, they should do so with at least a LITTLE BIT of reservation. And when men (in general) call them “sluts”, they should understand where that stereotype comes from. And when Asian men look askance at her as she walks hand in hand with that white/black/hispanic fellow, they UNDERSTAND WHY. And they realize that it’s not the Asian guy who is RACIST but probably THEY.
There was also a write up recently in the NY Times about the dating site, OkCupid.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/13/technology/internet/13cupid.html?em
So I was browsing through the site and their blog.
Specifically, this one here caught my attention: http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/2009/10/05/your-race-affects-whether-people-write-you-back/comment-page-22/#comment-7806
Here’s what one black commentor (David) wrote:
“In New York, where I’m from, most of the asian women I’ve known as friends have told me they are primarily interested in dating white men. After that, latin/spanish, after that black, after that asian. Yes, asian men were consistently at the bottom of their list. I’ve even had a fair amount of asian women in NYC tell me that they don’t find asian men attractive–which frankly blows my mind that one could say such a thing about their own ethnic brothers. And these weren’t just gold digging, fresh off the boat types, many of these women have their own money, were raised to respect their own (korean, japanese, chinese) culture. Nevertheless, in NYC, asian women overwhelmingly prefer white men. I’m not an asian man, but this situation sickens me.”
Clearly, the fact that Asian American women have disowned their brothers is common knowledge. It’s way past time pretending it doesn’t exist and trying to hide the dirty laundry. The muck is out there already. The only responsible thing to do now is take responsibility for it and that means, first, admitting it exists, and holding people to account.
Another poster, an Asian, “FYI”, said he has 2 sisters and won’t even consider dating an Asian guy. Another guy, “asianwiththoughts”, said Asian girls in his high school won’t date Asian guys. Comments like these are endless.
289 Mark // Feb 22, 2010 at 2:09 am
Nancy,
Not sure why you should be mad at me. I don’t think I said anything unreasonable.
And Asian women like you aren’t the problem. We need more like you. The problemetic ones are at the “margin”, but it’s a significant margin that is affecting how Asian women (and Asian men, by association) are portrayed, perceived and viewed in the media and society.
It’s this notorious margin that say they won’t date Asian men and dis their culture and heritage. Most Asian women are in fact like you, but there are a significant number at the margin, often born and raised in the U.S., who won’t have anything to do with Asian men. And these women need to be exposed and excoriated for ALL OUR GOOD.
Sorry, but there was also another post I was trying to make in response to your earlier comment, but this site appears to be holding it in eternal “moderation”.
290 Mark // Feb 22, 2010 at 2:14 am
(trying again with links removed)
Nancy,
“I am a proud Chinese American woman and I’ve noticed something about Asian men and women. Both are putting down their own race.”
….
I empathize with you. And I understand where you’re coming from.
Critiziing your own is not easy. It’s hard and it’s embarrassing. It’s taking out your dirty laundry and putting it on display for the world to see. It’s ugly and shameful. And usually, only a moron does that.
But it’s high time Asians come face-to-face with this issue. Asian American men have tolerated and put up with the nonsense by Asian women for DECADES.
Even this piece of garbage article (#95 Resenting Asian Women for Dating Caucasian Males) is dated Oct. 13, 2008. When I first came on here, NO ONE was taking the stance that I take and many others now seem to be taking: They were virtually all on the side of “personal choice”, “freedom”, “push it under the rug”, “blame Asian men”.
It’s clear now that the tide has shifted. I’m happy to witness the AWAKENING. Like you, I see that Asian men and some women have woken up and are beginning to realize that what’s going on in the Asian community is NOT RIGHT. It’s UGLY. And it’s wrong that Asian women routinely mock, ridicule, dis and put-down Asian men. And it’s gotta stop. NOW.
For years, silence and make-believe didn’t work. Now, we (Asian men) must speak up and push back. We must teach our children, our cousins, our sisters — that if they choose to date/marry a non-Asian man, then they should do so knowing the social ramifications of that action and what that bespeaks.
Love is tough enough without having to consider society, I agree, and at the end of the day, love is really all that matters, I agree. Still, this knowledge must be shared and known to everyone. No Asian woman should plead ignorance to this fact. They all need to know the context in which they act, speak and conduct their lives in the U.S. and even around the globe. They need to understand that when they date that white guy, black guy, Mexican guy, Arab guy, they should do so with at least a LITTLE BIT of reservation. And when men (in general) call them “sluts”, they should understand where that stereotype comes from. And when Asian men look askance at her as she walks hand in hand with that white/black/hispanic fellow, they UNDERSTAND WHY. And they realize that it’s not the Asian guy who is RACIST but probably THEY.
There was also a write up recently in the NY Times about the dating site, OkCupid.
[link to NY Times article removed; this site apparently doesn't like it]
So I was browsing through the site and their blog.
Specifically, this one here caught my attention:
[link to OkCupid blog removed]
Here’s what one black commentor (David) wrote:
“In New York, where I’m from, most of the asian women I’ve known as friends have told me they are primarily interested in dating white men. After that, latin/spanish, after that black, after that asian. Yes, asian men were consistently at the bottom of their list. I’ve even had a fair amount of asian women in NYC tell me that they don’t find asian men attractive–which frankly blows my mind that one could say such a thing about their own ethnic brothers. And these weren’t just gold digging, fresh off the boat types, many of these women have their own money, were raised to respect their own (korean, japanese, chinese) culture. Nevertheless, in NYC, asian women overwhelmingly prefer white men. I’m not an asian man, but this situation sickens me.”
Clearly, the fact that Asian American women have disowned their brothers is common knowledge. It’s way past time pretending it doesn’t exist and trying to hide the dirty laundry. The muck is out there already. The only responsible thing to do now is take responsibility for it and that means, first, admitting it exists, and holding people to account.
291 Eric // Feb 22, 2010 at 5:50 am
A lot of asian women suffer from the psychosis that us asian guys want to ‘get them’ or something. Nothing could be further from the truth. It’s very annoying when I walk into a room, store, or down a sidewalk and an asian woman happens to be there and thinks that. I think the only remedy for this psychosis is to ignore every and all asian women until they get the message. Whenever you’re around them, don’t acknowledge their presence. I have been doing this quite successfully and I will continue to do it until they all get the message.
292 Eric // Feb 22, 2010 at 5:59 am
BTW, besides what I’ve written above, another thought occurred to me regarding these asian women. They keep projecting the thought upon every asian guy they see that they are all old fashioned and traditional.
293 The Engineer // Feb 23, 2010 at 12:21 am
Dear Angela,
Your question does deserve attention.
I cannot speak for all Asian men, and on the subject of Asian men dating African American women, my answer to you will be very much be isolated.
The answer to your question as to why there are little or no Asian men dating African American females is a multifaceted one. I will try to break down the answer into several perspectives:
1. Asian perspective.
2. African American perspective (what I believe to be the African American perspective).
3. Caucasian perspective (unbelievable as it may seem, there is a Caucasian perspective on Asian men dating African American women).
Asian perspective:
It is common knowledge that, despite the obvious good qualities and achievements that Asian men have made in Western Society over several generations, Asian men are considered the absolute undersireable, socially, academically, financially, etc. In rare circumstances, when the situation is very dire, then, and only then, an Asian man may be sought to fix the problem; otherwise, we Asian men are basically invisible.
Suffice to say, we Asian men are a highly persecuted demographic. In my opinion of the World Opinion, I do believe that Asian men are the most hated (more so than African Americans, Hispanic Americans, and Jews — combined). But that is only my opinion. If one were to objectively analyze our qualities, it is very understandable why so many are actually jealous and envious of Asian men.
Nevertheless, we Asian men need to exist in the society, and for better or worse, we must make an effort to harmonize with the rest of society. Yes, it is an undue burden, but then so is the burden of having to achieve higher than others just to be measured the same.
Will pursuing an African American woman as a girlfriend and wife be in harmony with the rest of society?
Most Asian men have very important filial responsibilities (\filial\ means to be responsible to one’s parents). To most cultures, this concept is laughable, but to Asian men, it is an intrinsic part of us. As part of that filial piety, we do not do anything that will upset the family harmony. Will having an African American girlfriend and wife upset that filial harmony?
Most Asian men have very serious professional responsibilities. How we act; how we dress; and the choices we make have a very serious bearing on our professional lives. Will having an African American girlfriend and wife upset that professional harmony?
Most Asian men look forward to having and to raising children so that the continuity of Asian life may exist in perpetuity. It is a natural pursuit. Since Asian men are expected to be intelligent (most intelligent?), we are burdened with the task of having to plan everything to the last detail. How will the children be conceived? How do we optimize the growing environment during the children’s formative years? How do we provide for education? How do we provide for their careers? How do we provide a smooth transition from academia to professional life? How do we make it easier for them to find mates and form families of their own? Do we know anything about being an African American so that we can address those aforementioned questions adequately? Will having an African American girlfriend and wife upset that family harmony?
As you can see, from the Asian perspective, it is not a simple matter of just asking an African American woman out.
African American perspective:
Based upon what I have read in newspapers and on the Internet, based upon what I have experienced on the street, based upon personal attempts toward having any sort of relationship with African American women, I can honestly say the following:
Generally, African Americans do not like Asians much.
There, I said it. Do we need a lot of analysis?
During the past year, there was an incident in Chicago during which an honor highschool student was beaten to death for refusing to join a street gang. The victim was African American. The perpetrators were African American. The incident occurred in an African American neighborhood. Granted, the victim was not Asian, but many Asians can identify with the academic honor status.
Recently, in Seattle, Washington, an African American woman (very young girl actually) was beaten in the subway station by a group of African American teenagers. The apparent reason: the victim had nice things and acted white. Again, the victim was not Asian, but many Asians can identify having nice things and (maybe) acting white.
For the past year, the Philadelphia school board has completely ignored the extreme violence African American students have committed against Asian students. The problem became so bad, that Asian families kept their children from school.
On a personal note, I must add that I have had many exceeding good looking African American women hint that I should ask them out. Currently, there are two African American women that I see occasionally during my day-to-day affairs. One frequently asks me when I am going to get married. The other has already exclaimed loudly that she is upset that she is not engaged to be married. My friends tell me that, in those two cases, both women are being very direct in their desires — if they were any more direct, they probably will \club me over the head\ and drag me to the movies.
All the same, I do believe that African Americans do not like Asians much, and that it would be actually dangerous for Asian men to date or marry African American women.
Caucasian perspective:
Whites are too preoccupied with race and racism.
Their belief system is entirely based upon genetics. They are not only concerned about the genetics of their White Race, but they are concerned about the genetics of other races.
The greatest fear that Whites have is the creation of a Super Race that far exceeds the White Race in intelligence and physical prowess.
Now, you can see why Whites ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT ASIANS INTERMARRYING WITH AFRICAN AMERICANS.
In particular, Whites are concerned about Asian men and African American women producing children. Can you imagine a child of such a union? What if the child can do Calculus in his/her head while he/she is making that killer jump-shot?
Now that you have read about the Asian, African American, and Caucasian perspectives, you may have a little understanding of the problems that an Asian man and African American woman would face.
I hope the aforementioned provides some answer to your question as to why couples comprising Asian men and African American women are not more prevalent.
Thank you for listening.
294 Gele Tulip // Feb 23, 2010 at 6:32 am
I am a Chinese guy and have been living in Switzerland for the past 10 years. My current girlfriend of 3 years is a Swiss blonde. My last two relationships were with a Tunisian/Greek woman and an incredibly sexy (if I may say so) Sri Lankan woman. You could kind of say that I am an equal opportunity guy when it comes to dating women.
Personally, I happen to know of a string of Asian man-western woman combos among my acquaintances. For example, one of my Swiss girlfriend’s work colleagues is married to a Japanese guy. My barber, who just so happens to be a Japanese guy, was married to a Swiss woman, just a like a couple of his own Japanese friends. Then there is the daughter of my girlfriend’s private flute teacher who married a Japanese guy.
Just in case you were thinking that we are dealing with some kind of local phenomenon mainly limited to Japanese guys, I am befriended with a Chinese opera singer whose 19 year old son is being romantically pursued by a number of his Swiss girl classmates in school (he is a good-looking, and a very outgoing and confident chap). Last but not least, a Chinese friend of mine has been pursued by a Swiss lady, asking him to date her. However, he stubbornly wants to date Chinese women only. I have been trying hard to convince him to go for European women, but so far without any luck – I may have to resort to putting (ground) hallucinogenic mushrooms in his drink one day….
In addition, lately I have started to actively pay attention to interracial couples on the streets, and so far I have sighted an increasing number of such couples involving Asian guys. As one example, last Sunday, as I was strolling in the park, I came across a Chinese guy walking arm in arm with a Swiss woman, probably married judging from the two young mixed looking boys who were with them.
It is undeniable that many decades of racist and demeaning stereotyping perpetuated by Hollywood have had a severe toll on the dating chances of (East) Asian men. With this in mind, one could discount my personal observations as just anecdotal \evidence\; nevertheless I believe that things are finally changing for the better for Asian guys in the dating scene. In the latest release of marriage and co-habitation data by the European census and marriage registry bureau for the year 2008, analysts have discovered a significant trend toward greatly increasing numbers of European women marrying and living with Asian men residing in European Union member countries.
Globalization and the gradual shift of economic and political power to East Asia have also led to an increase in more balanced, positive and truthful images of Asian men. Even Hollywood is realizing this and catching up. On a personal level, what also helps a lot is to be confident when approaching women (especially western ones) and be able to hold an intelligent conversation interlaced with humor (I believe these are one of the reasons why I have been hit on by numerous white women, mostly in corporate environments).
295 Hang in there // Feb 27, 2010 at 4:16 am
Actually, there was a new dating study done that seems more acccurate than the one done at either Colombia Univ. or Yahoo Personals. They surveyed men and women of all races at Cupid.com (a pay dating site online). It turns out that Asian men have better response rates from women (esp. Middle Eastern women) than other minority men (ie blacks, Hispanic, Middle Eastern, Indian) even though white men still had the most responses. The biggest surprise was that Middle Eastern women was the most sought after.
This study is more trusting and less flawed than the Colombia Univ. one because it’s not as limited. The Colombia Univ. study only surveyed a select limited group – namely graduate, Ivy League, East Coast (NYC) women. The Cupid.com surveyed women from virtually all over the USA and of all backgrounds.
296 The Engineer // Mar 3, 2010 at 7:22 pm
“UCSD Student Newspaper Prints Verified Apology from Girl Who Hung Noose”
http://teresawu.tumblr.com/post/420519579/ucsd-guardian-noose-apology
A few choice excerpts:
“…
I have a story that needs to be heard. I am the girl you’ve read about, the one who hung the noose in Geisel Library.
Firstly, I’m writing to apologize. I don’t have an excuse for what I did, and I deeply regret it.
Secondly, I’m writing to hopefully put a little bit of faith back into the UCSD campus by clarifying that it was not an act of racism. This is what happened.
I found a small piece of rope on the ground earlier in the day. While I was hanging out with my friends a bit later, we tried jump- roping with it and making it into a lasso. My friend then took the rope and tied it into a noose. I innocently marveled at his ability to tie a noose, without thinking of any of its connotations or the current racial climate at UCSD. I left soon after with one of my friends for Geisel to study, still carrying the rope. After a bit of studying I picked up the rope to play with, and ended up hanging it by my desk. It was a mindless act and stupid mistake. When I got up to leave, a couple hours later, I simply forgot about it. This was Tuesday night. Three days later, on Friday morning, I found out that the noose had been found and construed as another racist act on campus. I felt so ashamed and embarrassed, and the first thing I did was call the campus police and confess. I was hoping to clarify that this was not an act of racism before the incident got a full reaction from the campus. I gave my statement around 9 a.m. They thanked me for coming forward and for trying to clear up the issue. Later, I received a campuswide e-mail saying that I confessed and had been taken into custody, which simply wasn’t true. One thing that is true is that I have been suspended. I know what I did was offensive — regardless of my intentions — I am just trying to say I’m sorry. As a minority student who sympathizes with the students that have been affected by the recent issues on campus, I am distraught to know that I have unintentionally added to their pain.
…”
And some commentary to the above web link:
“…
the girl who wrote it is the girl who hung the noose, my friend is friends with her and told me on friday that she was planning on publishing an apology/explanation.
…”
– quotation of “hollice” (her picture clearly shows she is an Asian female).
Here is an open question for everyone of this forum:
Was the noose-hanging perpetrator a female of the persuasion of:
A. Asian?
B. Black?
C. Caucasian?
D. Hispanic?
HINT:
“Asian student admits putting up UCSD Noose”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jj1WoL9nrN0&feature=youtube_gdata
“…My friend then took the rope and tied it into a noose. I innocently marveled at HIS ability to tie a noose, without thinking of any of its connotations or the current racial climate at UCSD…”
– quotation of Asian female perpetrator
Capitalized emphasis is mine.
Now, here is the biggest question regarding this matter:
Was her male friend of the persuasion of
A. Asian?
B. Black?
C. Caucasian?
D. Hispanic?
We may never know the answer to that biggest question; however, one thing is certain:
This psychotic Asian female just added a lot of extra hate by her mindless, insensitive, careless act.
Thank you for listening.
297 The Engineer // Mar 3, 2010 at 7:45 pm
“UCSD Student Newspaper Prints Verified Apology from Girl Who Hung Noose”
http://teresawu.tumblr.com/post/420519579/ucsd-guardian-noose-apology
An excerpt to that apology and commentary to that apology:
“…
I have a story that needs to be heard. I am the girl you’ve read about, the one who hung the noose in Geisel Library.
Firstly, I’m writing to apologize. I don’t have an excuse for what I did, and I deeply regret it.
Secondly, I’m writing to hopefully put a little bit of faith back into the UCSD campus by clarifying that it was not an act of racism. This is what happened.
I found a small piece of rope on the ground earlier in the day. While I was hanging out with my friends a bit later, we tried jump- roping with it and making it into a lasso. My friend then took the rope and tied it into a noose. I innocently marveled at his ability to tie a noose, without thinking of any of its connotations or the current racial climate at UCSD. I left soon after with one of my friends for Geisel to study, still carrying the rope. After a bit of studying I picked up the rope to play with, and ended up hanging it by my desk. It was a mindless act and stupid mistake. When I got up to leave, a couple hours later, I simply forgot about it. This was Tuesday night. Three days later, on Friday morning, I found out that the noose had been found and construed as another racist act on campus. I felt so ashamed and embarrassed, and the first thing I did was call the campus police and confess. I was hoping to clarify that this was not an act of racism before the incident got a full reaction from the campus. I gave my statement around 9 a.m. They thanked me for coming forward and for trying to clear up the issue. Later, I received a campuswide e-mail saying that I confessed and had been taken into custody, which simply wasn’t true. One thing that is true is that I have been suspended. I know what I did was offensive — regardless of my intentions — I am just trying to say I’m sorry. As a minority student who sympathizes with the students that have been affected by the recent issues on campus, I am distraught to know that I have unintentionally added to their pain.
…”
“the girl who wrote it is the girl who hung the noose, my friend is friends with her and told me on friday that she was planning on publishing an apology/explanation.”
– quotation of commentator, “hollice”
(“hollice” appears to be an Asian female)
Try Googling the following: [ youtube asian noose ]
The first weblink shall be a video entitled,
“Asian student admits putting up UCSD Noose”
Psychotic Asian females are just getting more and more embarrassing.
“…I innocently marveled at his ability to tie a noose, without thinking of any of its connotations or the current racial climate at UCSD…”
– quotation of the psychotic Asian female
Would anyone like to venture a guess as to what kind of man this psychotic Asian female has for a friend?
Thank you for listening.
298 Nancy // Mar 8, 2010 at 2:57 pm
Mark has kindly filtered a lot of the nonsense posted here so that I can understand the situation clearly. Meanwhile, The Engineer persists in posting condemning and irrelevant comments that seem to imply that all Asian women are insane sluts.
This incident in UCSD does not say anything about Asian women in general. If you had read the other comments on the page, you would see that Teresa Wu, also an Asian woman, condemned the girl’s actions. Maybe you should write “some Asian women are psychotic.” Much like “some Asian men,” a small and unreasonable group populated by others like you.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2009/04/08/2009-04-08_gunman_kills_1_injures_4_at_korean_christian_retreat_center_in_temecula_californ.html
As you can see, Asian men are also capable of being very psychotic. Everyone is. You are just searching for the rare incidents which involve psychotic Asian women. It’s shameful that you would even bring up Annie Le (in an earlier post). She was the victim.
There is a small minority of Asian women who will put down their Asian men, just as there is a small minority of Asian men who will put down Asian women. The Engineer doesn’t seem to be directing his hatred towards only those Asian women, but all of his Asian sisters.
Thank you for listening.
299 Japanese Pride (Shiba) // Mar 9, 2010 at 1:57 pm
Most Asian men do not like white girls. But white males absolutely adorie Oriental women. They say that they like the romantic “cat-eyes” or Asian women and they like how they stay fit and healthy longer than whites. Many white males are takeing our Asian women because their white chicks are dissing white males for black men. This cause white males to seek out OUR women as companions and dates. Thing is WE do NOT seek WHITE GIRLS. The rate of Oriental Males with White females is disproportionately low compared to White males with OUR ASIAN WOMEN.
The white male sucks compared to Latinoes and Blacks at masculinity, so these sucker crackers are trying to appear as gods to Asian girls because they feel they can compete better for Asian women against Asian Males.
300 Kuri // Mar 10, 2010 at 6:28 pm
@Japanese Pride (Shiba), Lol motherfucker, I’m a white girl with brown hair and I have dated sooo many Asian guys it’s ridiculous. Whereeee have you been? You are a straight-up racist. We’re all people, douchebag.
Ooh yeah, and ryanfriday, hit me up ;]
301 Straight Asian Man // Mar 10, 2010 at 11:14 pm
Nancy, hell yeah baby, I can get psychotic, thanks to the world. I bust out in real life the way I bust out on my girlfriend in the sack. And trust me, she fucking likes it. And Im from NY too, so dont tell me NY is all fine and dandy. I fucking hate NY!!!!
I sympathize with Engineer, me and him, us asian dudes have gone through so much social shit in our lives. And this is the case even if we are buff, fit, handsome, etc. Engineer, dont worry man, I support you brotha!!!! Steal that green technology from dipshit American companies and pass it to China so we can own the next largest industry in the world!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCFf3jDpRlI&feature=related
This guy aint asian but he is exemplifying what I feel, thanks to fucking white men and their asian concubines, making my life a nightmare. When is the evil American Empire going to fucking end?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
302 Asian guy // Mar 11, 2010 at 12:32 am
I am a chinese guy. I think chinese girls put different expectations on us chinese men that make it hard for us to hook up with them. Top reason is money.
We HAVE to be rich or \stable\ and drive an ok car, at least. Otherwise they usually don’t bother with us. Unfortunately, I’m not rich, in fact I am rather poor and my life wasn’t smooth all the way. It may take me a long time to become \rich.\ Screw this facist system run by the Jewish bankster cartels. I hope it all collapses soon, so that the whole world can see how illusory it all is. Note: Not singling out Jews, just the ones behind the great economic collapse of 2008, and are still there behind the scenes.
Sorry if I seem to be raving mad – I’m not, ok!
Sidebar:
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I can see what happened with 9/11 and the H1N1 flu which was called by a leading doctor as the greatest scam in recent times. That it was sanctioned by the WHO, speaks for itself. Sorry, just had to insert these in, cos I hope more people WAKE UP. lol
Go watch Avatar and wake up to your true self and humanity and belonging
Ok, back to topic -
Yes, they (chinese women) don’t apply the same standards with men from other races. This is what I observe. I could be wrong.
I get a fair bit of attention from women outside my race. They don’t seem to care too much whether I have money or not. However, I just want to marry a good chinese girl that I myself like. Why is that so hard? I’m not discounting other girls outside my race, just that my FIRST CHOICE is a girl within my race. Don’t diss me, I’m just proud of the family unit, and ultimately, my wife is also my \sister\ and my \mother.\ I look within myself and ultimately I am just being honest to myself. Different people may have different strokes, what do I know?
Something tells me I am on the right track, even though I believe some will flame me after this, as a lunatic who beleives in conspiracy theories, haha :=)
Wait the next few years. Things will unravel themselves soon enough. That’s all I have to say. Already the signs are there to see. It’s just that there is a huge cover up going on all the time.
Peace out, brothers and sisters.
303 Eric // Mar 11, 2010 at 7:59 am
My advice to all asian guys – drop asian women. They’re nothing more than prostitutes. A lot of the asian american ones have psychological issues and turn on their own race. And these certain ones are racist against everybody except white people. Trust me on this one. I was in the Navy and did a tour in Japan. While I was there I was able to see a lot of Asia and what I saw there disgusted me. Asian women prostituting themselves to disgusting white men. These were the sort of men that would be regarded as losers and trash and bottom drawer material in America but were worshiped in Asia by media brainwashed asian women. This turned me off to asian women immediately and made me question their intelligence.
Don’t interact with these women or you’ll get bit. They’re prostitutes and turn on their own race. They’re stupidity will haunt them in the years to come. Karma will get them. Because of the way they have been behaving, I don’t think they will ever be fully embraced by the mainstream.
Western women are much more independent, liberated, expressive, and easy to be around. Asian women can’t compare. Sorry.
304 Straight Asian Man // Mar 11, 2010 at 9:06 am
I support Nancy. We need to support more women like her. I am going to put aside my hate and give her the benefit of the doubt. We rail against asian women that reject us but we do nothing to support the women whom support us.
Nancy, you are right, and your attitude is a turn on. I will do what I can to love my Asian sisters if they give me the benefit of the doubt. I will put aside my hatred at times if you can empathize and give me the patience to work through it. And I will bust my ass, work on being strong, sexy, successful and confident to — if I didnt have a girlfriend — fuck you long and hard to help give you and me both the orgasms that we both want and need.
305 FDSA // Mar 11, 2010 at 9:17 am
@Straight Asian Man, wow you’re embarrassing. When was the last time you saw a shrink? I’m glad you post here because now they have your ip address. Don’t go blowing up a school now because they’ll know where you find you.
306 Straight Asian Man // Mar 11, 2010 at 9:43 pm
@FDSA, yer an idiot. All I said is we should support Nancy for standing by us. And you go on some kind of troll-based tirade. To hell with you, you irrelevant nobody.
307 Hahaha // Mar 12, 2010 at 9:52 am
I’m a White guy and I don’t give crap when White women date other races, so it’s funny for me to watch all these self-hating guys try to insult girls for their personal tastes.
“You’re betraying your race!”
That’s my favorite one. Asians are the most overpopulated people on the planet. Do you think you’re a member of some exclusive club? Being Asian is not special. If you were Native American, I could see why you would be defensive about your culture dying out, but Asian? If you’re Asian who only dates Asians, and the girl you like only dates White or Black people, go try one of the billion other Asian girls and stop making excuses.
Besides, isn’t it a double standard to hate on a girl for only dating White when you only date Asian? You’re both judging by skin color.
308 The Engineer // Mar 12, 2010 at 11:07 am
I am glad you do not care.
At least some of us can find happiness unencumbered with racial friction from other Caucasians — I hope.
“…
‘You’re betraying your race!’
…
Being Asian is not special.
…
Besides, isn’t it a double standard to hate on a girl for only dating White when you only date Asian? You’re both judging by skin color.”
It is so refreshing to be called a racist!
Oh, the Privileges of being White! How lucky you are!
http://www.dickshovel.com/priv.html
A few excerpts:
“…
Here’s what white privilege sounds like: I’m sitting in my University of Texas office, talking to a very bright and very conservative white student about affirmative action in college admissions, which he opposes and I support. The student says he wants a level playing field with no unearned advantages for anyone. I ask him whether he thinks that being white has advantages in the United States. Have either of us, I ask, ever benefited from being white in a world run mostly by white people? Yes, he concedes, there is something real and tangible we could call white privilege.
So, if we live in a world of white privilege – unearned white privilege – how does that affect your notion of a level playing field? I asked. He paused for a moment and said, “That really doesn’t matter.” That statement, I suggested to him, reveals the ultimate white privilege: The privilege to acknowledge that you have unearned privilege but to ignore what it means. That exchange led me to rethink the way I talk about race and racism with students. It drove home the importance of confronting the dirty secret that we white people carry around with us every day: in a world of white privilege, SOME OF WHAT WE HAVE IS UNEARNED. I think much of both the fear and anger that comes up around discussions of affirmative action has its roots in that secret. So these days, my goal is to talk open and honestly about white supremacy and white privilege.
White privilege, like any social phenomenon, is complex. IN A WHITE SUPREMACIST CULTURE, ALL WHITE PEOPLE HAVE PRIVILEGE, WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARE OVERTLY RACIST THEMSELVES. There are general patterns, but such privilege plays out differently depending on context and other aspects of one’s identity (in my case, being male gives me other kinds of privilege). Rather than try to tell others how white privilege has played out in their lives, I talk about how it has affected me.
…”
The capitalized emphasis is mine.
Thank you for listening.
309 Straight Asian Man // Mar 14, 2010 at 10:59 am
Double standard? We are not operating out of some kind of fairy tale egalitarian based BULLSHIT that isnt even practiced in the real world. We are reacting towards very real, very tangible racism that we can feel as Asian men every moment of every day. You talk about principles of equality, but hide behind a system that is stilted in every facet of life towards your favor. You have the PRIVILEGE of never having the burden of be self-conscious and self-critical of your race. I still cant BELIEVE that white guys have no idea what it means to be a male minority. Let me tell you, IT FUCKING SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You claim that you are all for white girls dating non-whites, yet the collective actions of white society have made call you out as a liar. I’ve seen white women who have dated asian, black men undergo horrible ostracization and an overwhelming amount of unwarranted criticism, disguised as legitimate criticisms but with racist motivations hiding underneath. You think calling someone a chink or nigger is the only way to express hate? I wonder how many white men readily attack President Obama, criticizing every move he makes in both a conservative and liberal direction, when in reality the true source of their motivations is because his white mother fucked a black man, and then an indonesian man.
We all know the new face of white racism, and its subtle and hidden. Do you think we’re all blind???
You say you dont care if white women date out, but collectively white society says otherwise. Youve set up a nice little hegemonic system for yourself, hypocritical white guy. (I guess white guys have always been good at that, something asian society should take and learn from.)
We are against AF/WM because it extends beyond the relationship. You white men take it beyond the relationship. The AF/WM relationship causes people to make generalizations about AM and they are all negative. Nobody truly believes in racial equality in dating; it is all about the brand name and competition amongst races have always been zero-sum. You are just trying to get people to buy into your bullshit while obviously trying to prop up a system that benefits you while fucking over everyone else!
OK, OK, so we’ve all heard that the world is run by inequality, we’re all big boys and girls here and we know that the world is unfair. So what to do about it? Fortunately for you and unfortunately for me, white guy, the answer is bigger than either of us. But I wont be distracted from the truth. Pax Americana is the culprit, and by recognition of that very fact, I know what side I need to support in order to help myself break free from your fucking hegemony and live a life worth living.
310 Straight Asian Man // Mar 14, 2010 at 11:08 am
Engineer, the justification argument doesnt matter. We all know the system is unfair and exploitative, no need to waste energy on that. The harder, more painful question is what do we do about it. Like I said, the answer requires effort larger than you or me, but the answer is clear. Having power shift away from white men, and into the hands on ANYONE non-white, is a step in the right direction.
311 moon123 // Mar 14, 2010 at 9:28 pm
@Angela,
You’re an idiot….LOL….
312 moon123 // Mar 14, 2010 at 9:34 pm
@sophia,
Hey White bi—, you are delusional
“you’ll be shacking up with better looking people than they’re capable of getting!” LOL I seee ugly White bit—es all the freaking time. You think ugly White girls are better looking than these so called ugly Asian women, get a clue and look in the mirror.
Also, I bet you don’t even give a darn about Asian men and their dating prospects, but use this as an excuse to say something nasty about Asian women, especially Asian women who date White men, because you are jealous and think that they are “taking you men” from you.
313 moon123 // Mar 14, 2010 at 9:36 pm
@sophia,
I meant “taking your men” from you.
314 moon123 // Mar 14, 2010 at 10:01 pm
@Jinsic,
u are sexist, and ugly by looking at ur pics.
315 moon123 // Mar 14, 2010 at 10:11 pm
@EuroGoddess,
Hey ugly EuroGodess, you are another White woman posting and pretending to have concern with the dating prospects of Asian men in order to say nasty things about Asian women… For example”Heck, if Catholic females (I’m spiritual, not religious) consider giving head to be wrong or immoral, there are plenty of other females (from non-American cultures) who have no qualms about that being part of an intimate relationship!” trying to say that only Asian women do that? Look at porn, it’s mostly White women who would degrade themselves. Who invented BJs? White women…and White women do that more often than other race of women.
316 moon123 // Mar 14, 2010 at 10:22 pm
@Christine,
why are White females always dissing Asian females when commenting on how they love Asian men? I think that you need to wash out ur d— smelling mouth.
317 moon123 // Mar 14, 2010 at 10:32 pm
@J,
STFU ugly White bitch, most people are”beta” including you. u are a racist ugly SOB, go where your White hood and join the KKK. Arrogant White trash.
318 The Engineer // Mar 15, 2010 at 10:11 am
Well said, Straight Asian Man; well said!
I admire the passion with which you express youself.
There is an old Chinese saying, when translated into English, that goes something like this: “Wait long enough, you will see all your enemies floating, face down, in the river.”
Right now, we are witnessing a financial turmoil in the Western World unlike anything seen before in history. Here, in the United States of America, there has been, on average, three bank failures per week for over a year. In Europe, Greece, Portugal, Italy, Ireland, and Spain, are all on the verge of bankruptcy. All we have to do is wait along the financial sidelines (with our savings, of course) and watch our enemies float down the financial river.
I understand you in regard to the racism that is heaped on us everyday. I really do, but I have also noticed that there have been others who have taken notice of us in a positive way. In particular, I have noticed a lot more respect and attention from Caucasian girls. I hope you have received more respect and attention from Caucasian girls too.
All we have to do is wait it out; things will go our way — you will see.
Thank you for listening.
319 Straight Asian Man // Mar 16, 2010 at 1:37 am
I dont know about that… the hegemonic white male is a savvy, versatile, and intelligent enemy. I dont believe in waiting at all. I think we need to take proactive steps towards countering this bullshit.
First step, free your mind from the egalitarian lies that American society has instilled in us since we were born here. There is no racial equality. Do you see it in front of you here? FUCK NO!! America talks about principle, yet the reality is racially stratified and elitist. “American Ideals” are just a marketing tool to paint American power and domination in a more favorable light.
Free your mind, and never feel self-conscious or guilty towards taking the steps necessary to reclaim your power and footing in this entrenched and hypocritical society.
320 Straight Asian Man // Mar 16, 2010 at 1:45 am
I have noticed positive attention from some Caucasian girls. But they are afraid of the reprecussions of white men and white society. Also, Asian girls and non-asian girls are responsive to a corrupt, intransigent racial hierarchy — Asian girls are desperately afraid of self-aggregation and espousing anything pro-Asia for fear of being labelled as a self-segregationist.
A society that puts these subtle pressures on its citizens is just as controlling as a society that places overt pressure against its citizens through laws and decrees.
321 Marc // Mar 18, 2010 at 10:04 am
@Straight Asian Man, you need some pussy, dude.
322 Straight Asian Man // Mar 19, 2010 at 11:58 pm
I have a girlfriend. But you are such a selfish, self interested little twat that you dont believe someone could care about things on a macro level that extend beyond himself. Regardless of what happens to me, Id like to see a new world order. Ill be rich as fuck, Id still want the fucking US of Fucking A to go down.
Osama Bin Laden gave up wealth and privilege to do what he felt was right. Are you incapable of understanding that fact? Fucktard.
323 Marc // Mar 20, 2010 at 10:27 am
@Straight Asian Man, cuckolded males don’t know how to be rich though…
324 Straight Asian Man // Mar 20, 2010 at 10:44 pm
I got a beheading video for you to check out.
http://www.ballistic-art.net/hensley.html
Jack Hensley is my favorite because that nigga gurgles.
ooOOOOooOOh baby, you can see his mouth moving even as his head is completely dislodged!! Make sure you get the popcorn Marc, hahahahahaha
325 Tom // Apr 29, 2010 at 9:57 am
This entire phenomenon is very simple: (1) White worship and self-loathing, and (2) Various Asian cultures are still ingrained with Confucian values which obsess over prestige, status, hierarchy, and brands. Look at how many Asians are obsessed with what college their kids get into, what car and clothing brands they buy, or starving themselves for months to save up for ridiculously overpriced hand bags. It’s no surprise why the best and most avid consumers of Euro fashion products are actually Asians, not Europeans. Same goes for diamonds or gold, shiny symbols of status and prestige, the biggest consumers of overpriced jewelry are Asians.
This directly plays into dating too, Asian people in Asia and America are brainwashed by media which globally is very Western/Caucasian-centric. In Asia the commercials, malls, ads, and movie theaters glorify Caucasian faces the vast majority of the time. It’s no surprise why eyelid surgery and nose ridge surgery, to emulate Caucasian looks, are the #1 surgery in Asia.
Think about how lucrative (and effective) the multi-billion dollar advertising industry is. Then think about how effective product placement is in TV shows and in movies. Entertainment is just as effective in ‘branding’ various males, just like product placement. Western media repeatedly ‘brands’ White males as the best, while simultaneously marginalizing Asian males or giving them outright racist or demeaning roles. Asian women (and other women) internalize this about White and Asian men. Many prestige-obsessed Asian women thus see dating White males (even extremely low quality ones) as a weird status trophy. Some (like Michelle Malkin) go so far as to say self-racist things, or denigrate their own people, for approval from certain supremacist White males. The Uncle Tom behavior is despicable.
White worship, self-loathing, obsession for status/prestige, and media-brainwashing help explain why you see so many Asian women in Asia, and in America, with low quality White males who anyone can see on any city sidewalk represent the bottom of the barrel, a combination of fat, old, ugly, bald, or extremely weird/awkward White males who oftentimes simultaneously harbor closet racist views toward Asian cultures and Asian males, while also harboring extremely negative, bitter (and sexist) views toward White women.
326 snickers // May 3, 2010 at 12:04 pm
@moon123, i totally agree, what kind of comment is that?
327 snickers // May 3, 2010 at 12:20 pm
@Jay,
Seriously! What I don’t get is why asian men are complaining about white girls not being into them, but then they’re also complaining about asian women being stolen by white men. Well maybe asian men are too focused on the latter, and not opening themselves to the possibility of a white woman liking them! I am a white woman, and I find some asian men attractive, both physically and mentally, which are equally important to me, by the way. Just like men, women want to be sexually attracted to their partner too! But they also want the emotional attraction, and I think I am more likely to find that in an asian male because asian males seem to be more sensitive and less arrogant/selfish than white males. I am not saying that all white males are deuch bags, but it sure seems difficult to find a good looking white male who is also modest/humble. The same goes for white women too though…I just think it’s the american culture, unfortunately.
So for all the asian men who think that white women don’t want you, you’re wrong, asian guys are, in general, way more attractive to me than white guys, because their personality seems more likely to be just as good as their looks (this seems to be less likely with attractive white guys who just think that they are all that).
328 snickers // May 3, 2010 at 12:53 pm
@Straight Asian Man, I am a white female, and I am not afraid of what society will think of me if I date an asian guy. Just wanted you to know that not all white women think this way! In fact, I have grown tired of white men and their cocky attitudes…(most) good looking white men treat their women like crap and I am sick of it! Asian men just seem to be nicer and more sensitive, and not as full of themselves, and not as selfish/arrogant as good looking white men are. I know there are nice good looking white men out there, because my brother is good looking and a great guy, but, even he would agree, they are few and far between…it’s like finding a needle in a haystack. I think the same goes for white women too though – it’s tough to find truly good, compassionate people these days is what it comes down to.
329 snickers // May 3, 2010 at 1:11 pm
@Asian guy, Exactly, that’s the right attitude!
330 snickers // May 3, 2010 at 1:16 pm
@Straight Asian Man, just don’t forget that the “USA” only represents the evil people running this country. Just because I am white and was born here and still live here doesn’t mean that I support the corrupt leaders (or manipulaters, for that matter) of our country. I just want a happy, peaceful country where all people are equal, no matter what you look like or how much money you have.
331 Amanda // May 4, 2010 at 6:04 pm
@Angela, I actually think you are correct in this regard. In the NYC area, this is often the case. Let’s be honest here.
332 Eva // May 8, 2010 at 11:33 am
The sexist stereotype is so false, Amy Tan is a panderer and liar. Asian cultures aren’t hindered by Christian/Jewish religions like White males are, which state that women were to blame in Genesis, that they are 2nd class should serve/obey men, and belong only in the kitchen. In 1950′s America men controlled the money and only gave wives small allowances and limited opportunities. This is completely different from “traditional” Asian philosophies. In Confucian cultures women run the families, which includes control of all the money. This is why in East Asia the commercials, TV, & movies are so cutesy/pink/feminine – women are the dominant consumers in Asia, as opposed to America which is male-dominated and has media that caters to men with constant violence/sex/casual relationships. In major East Asian cities (like in China), the husbands do most of the cooking, house cleaning, & child rearing (think about dating supply and demand). East Asian women never change their maiden names in Asia after marriage, in America women need to change their names/identities after marriage. Kids in America generally need their father’s approval for who they marry, in Asia it’s the opposite. China has a higher % of women in politics, compared to the % of female US Congresswomen or US Senators. China has 7 female billionaires, which already make up half the world’s female billionaires, even though China is still poor and their economy is only 1/5 that of America.
You can only hide the truth for so long – people are beginning to realize that Western media, especially as it pertains to Asian men, is extremely racist/distorted & is designed to help White males who are extremely insecure & extremely supremacist/territorial.
333 A Non PC thug // May 14, 2010 at 1:59 am
@Eva, Yeah your not raciest are you, or sexist for that matter? After all, only those evil white men can be those. I guess you haven’t see much tv these days that is super anti male in general? I can tell your full of it simply with saying that media is for white men, most shows I see is white males being told off/beat by minority women etc.
Kids in America need to get there fathers approval ? Yeah that is a cliche only seen on tv you know? I never see or heard of anybody in real life needing that. Yet out where I work there are some asian women that to marry them you need to either let their fathers stay with you (to see if your worthy) or pay them cash..
How about in domestic violence, when the man is the victim and he is still dragged off to jail? Not to mention “a women beat you! ahahah!”
What I love about you femi-naizs , is how you all scream to be equal with men but when asked if you want to be drafted into wars like men are your suddenly mute.
Yeah china sure is great place for women…
334 A Non PC thug // May 14, 2010 at 2:17 am
@The Engineer, You do realize your list is subjective right and not factual right?
1. Mentally stable, I know plenty of crazy white women, mostly bible thumpers.
2. I have seen tons of make a sailor white women.
3. Plenty of dumb ones to go around.
4. If buy “healthy” you mean obese , then yeah.
5. Very subjective.
6. Once again an opinion, not a fact, don’t state it as such.
7. If you mean in your face.
8. They showed the top riches women in America, well CEO, most weren’t white.
335 Straight Asian Man // May 15, 2010 at 5:03 pm
@snickers, Thanks for your input. Hope you find your special guy.
336 The Engineer // May 17, 2010 at 9:54 am
Well said, Tom; very well said.
To the moderators of this forum:
I am glad that you have decided to reopen this forum for further commentary — there is still so much to be said!
Thank you for listening.
337 The Engineer // May 17, 2010 at 10:39 pm
“A Non PC thug’s Reply:
May 14th, 2010 at 2:17 am
@The Engineer, You do realize your list is subjective right and not factual right?
1. Mentally stable, I know plenty of crazy white women, mostly bible thumpers…”
I will address each issue as time allows.
For the moment, let us consider mental stability.
If one were to Google the string: [ mental illness asian women versus white women ], one would encounter many references, one of which is as follows:
Mental Health
East Mind, West Mind
Mental health problems among Asian-Americans are often stigmatized and untreated. But doctors are finding ways to help.
By Tina Peng | Newsweek Web Exclusive
Aug 12, 2008 | Updated: 4:07 p.m. ET Aug 12, 2008
http://www.newsweek.com/id/152315
Here are two excerpted paragraphs that may be of interest to many, especially in this forum:
“…
Fang can’t count the number of patients like this man that she’s seen over the years. There are indications that mental illness in the Asian-American community may be undiagnosed and undertreated, thanks in part to cultural stigmas against personal weakness, as well as some recent immigrants’ ignorance of the Western concept of mental health. A 2003 study partly funded by the National Institute of Mental Health showed that while the RATE OF MENTAL ILLNESS AMONG ASIAN-AMERICANS IS LOWER THAN AMONG WHITES, the former group is less likely to seek help than the latter. Now, though, community health centers across the country are finding that taking a holistic approach to mental health–combining primary and mental-health care, and integrating Western and Eastern philosophies–is often the most effective way to reach an underserved population.
And some of the national data point to a need for increased vigilance and treatment:
Asian-American females, for instance, have the HIGHEST SUICIDE RATES AMONG AMERICAN FEMALES in the 15-24 age group, and Asian-American women who are 65 or older are 10 times more likely to commit suicide than are their white counterparts, according to numbers compiled by the Asian Counseling and Referral Service (ACRS). Forty percent of Southeast Asian refugees suffer from depression, and anxiety plagues significant parts of that population as well, according to the ACRS statistics. And because of language and insurance barriers, many Asian-Americans aren’t particularly likely to seek professional help.
…”
The capitalized emphasis is mine.
I do not doubt that there are some Caucasian women who have mental problems, but there are FAR MORE Asian women who do have mental problems, more so than any other demographic.
It gets worse.
How many non-Hispanic Caucasians are there in the United States of America? Approximately sixty-six percent?
How many Asian Americans are there? Approximately five percent?
66 / 5 = 13.2
Not only are Caucasian women more mentally stable when compared to Asian females, but there are 13 Caucasian women for every 1 Asian woman.
The issue of mental stability alone should convince my fellow Asian brothers that it is a much better choice to choose a Caucasian woman.
Thank you for listening.
338 Amelia // May 19, 2010 at 5:41 pm
I am a hispanic-american female, and I love Asian guys. I personally find the physical attributes of Asian men to be very attractive, and I like the slightly androgynous looks many have. Besides, Asian men can be just as masculine looking as men of other races, they just have to work at it more.
339 The Engineer // May 21, 2010 at 8:06 pm
“… and I like the slightly ANDROGYNOUS looks many have. Besides, Asian men can be just as masculine looking as men of other races, they just have to work at it more.”
Google: [ define:androgynous ]
Here are some definitions:
o relating to or exhibiting both female and male sex organs but with a predominantly female appearance
o having both male and female characteristics
http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=androgynous
o androgyny – A personality which holds a balance of feminine and masculine characteristics. An androgynous person would be one comfortable with displaying both characteristics and able to move back and forth between the two.
http://bitbucket.icaap.org/dict.pl?alpha=A
o androgyny – is the state of indeterminate gender, or characteristics of gender.
http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Androgyny
There are two ways to interpret your commentary:
A. Your intention was to be slightly complimentary.
If that was a compliment, I would hate to hear an insult from you.
B. Your intention was to be insulting.
Very good, and I like the subtlety of your delivery! Your insult was so well crafted that I would have thought that you were an Asian woman.
Thank you for listening.
340 The Engineer // May 22, 2010 at 10:53 am
“…and I like the slightly ANDROGYNOUS looks many have. Besides, Asian men can be just as masculine looking as men of other races, they just have to work at it more.”
Try Googling the following search string: [ define:androgynous ]
You may encounter the following definitions:
o relating to or exhibiting both female and male sex organs but with a predominantly female appearance
o having both male and female characteristics
o Pertaining to a characteristic that is not definitively male or female; A condition in which gender is unknown, ambivalent, indeterminate, or neuter; Possessing qualities of both sexes; Possessing both male and female sex organs
Was it your intent to be complimentary or insulting?
Thank you for listening.
341 Jake the snake roberts, WWE // May 22, 2010 at 1:20 pm
@The Engineer, You need to get out more. Continue on with your attitude and you’ll find yourself becoming increasingly marginalized in this society.
You sound like you haven’t been laid in ages and have no hopes and prospects of doing so.
342 Jake the snake roberts, WWE // May 22, 2010 at 1:22 pm
@Jake the snake roberts, WWE, Oh, I forgot to ask. Are you still a virgin?
343 The Engineer // May 24, 2010 at 11:52 pm
Explain yourself (ahem, if you can).
What, pray tell, do you mean exactly? It would seem that this is your only commentary. Is that the best you can do?
My question to the previous commentator is legitimate: her compliment really does appear to be a veiled insult — and a very dirty one at that.
If you bothered to read the two years worth of commentary, then you would see that there is very serious concern among many regarding this topic.
Most of the insults are from
A. flippant (and psychotic) Asian females, who believe that they can continue to bully Asian men.
B. flippant (and equally psychotic) Caucasian males (most likely the insignificant others to these psychotic Asian females), who also believe they can do the same.
Which one are you?
To my fellow Asian brothers, I, too, am tired of fielding the asinine insults and inquiries.
I propose that we concentrate our admirations elsewhere, specifically toward Caucasian women.
Later, I will continue to elaborate on the finer qualities of Caucasian women that I enumerated in earlier commentaries.
Thank you for listening.
344 Yaaaaawn // May 25, 2010 at 8:55 am
The way I see people freaking out in these comments is totally uncalled for. You’re acting like you’re black! If you want problems, that’s where it’s at. Being Asian in North America is a cakewalk. Maybe it’s harder to give off the rugged charm of white guys, but Asian men have their own positive stereotypes that they never take advantage of. You don’t think there are women (Of all races) who like the idea of a hard working, disciplined guy who’s on the path to success? Play it up. Let them know you’re capable and interested.
The problems you have with women are in your mind. Work on your confidence and personality instead of complaining about having “your women” stolen. If Danny DeVito can get women, so can an average Asian guy.
345 Bunni // May 25, 2010 at 2:10 pm
@Yaaaaawn, your comment is so spot on. I hate to say this, but almost every Asian and Filipino man I’ve ever met was always bitter about something (mostly because white guys are taking “their” women). I don’t want to be with a man who’s so insecure about themselves that they feel the need to hate on ALL Asian women just because she dates interracially. Besides, most Asian men aren’t attracted to me because they simply can’t handle a woman with strong opinions and neo-feminist values.
346 Nutjob // Jun 10, 2010 at 6:40 pm
I keep seeing the basic argument being repeated over and over. I’m pretty sure that everyone agrees that in the interracial dating scene, Asian men get the short stick (figuratively and literally?XD). Putting that aside. So then the question I’m going to ask everyone is on whose burden does it fall to change what is a serious disparity between asian female and male interracial dating. It also ties into the precariousness of the asian american identity in a white dominated society. Explanation: As asian men, there is frustration/insecurity with being treated differently(being not accepted) than asian women(gender inequality) by whites seems to be the dominant concern. For asian-american women, its submitting to the dominant culture to hide their own insecurities and also a desire to become accepted in american society. So boiling down to the nitty-gritty, both asian-american men and women want to be accepted by american mainstream culture(white people). The fact that many asian american men can’t date interacially(white women) while many asian american women can date (white men) breeds jealousy. Likewise if the situation was reversed, I’m pretty sure the argument would go the same way. (many of the posters seem to have a white fetish) So the question is whose fault is it? Is it the mainstream american culture’s fault or the fault of asian americans for not conforming to what is the average white person’s view of asians should be? My suggestion to asian american men would be instead of bickering over what gender/race is getting discriminated against or favored over, it would be best to develop our own unique identities and assimilate the best we can. Its best we asian american men not put white people on a pedestal. Stand up for yourself act as everyone is your equal and not as your lesser or your better. Things will change as long as we grow in numbers and be proactive. For asian-american women, if you’re going to date interacially with white men(or any race), please do it out of genuine interest in their personality and not because you have deep seated issues of low self esteem /insecurity about your own race. Moreover please don’t provoke asian men by rehashing the same old emasculated smally endowed asian geek stereotype as a reason you won’t date asian men. Understand our position and try to sympathize. We all just want to be accepted don’t we? As for white-americans, like I said you hold most of the cards and its up to you whether you want to hold on to those perpetual stereotypes or begin to accept us as equals in love, work, and life.
347 BL // Jun 10, 2010 at 8:41 pm
@Nutjob, Why do you care about ‘being accepted’? How do they ‘hold all the cards’? Life is so simple: When you’re going to school just go to school. When you’re going to work just go to work. Just be yourself.
From what I have observed in real life and on the internet, a lot of asian guy’s biggest problem is they are completely clueless as to how attraction between a man and a woman works. It’s like they lack common sense or something.
I am an asian male, BTW. I have no trouble whatsoever attracting females. You know how I got this way? I looked at how other asian guys were and that’s how I learned what NOT to do. I suggest everyone do the same.
Some tips:
1. Learn how to not care.
2. Be yourself.
3. Learn how to deflect.
348 Student // Jun 17, 2010 at 10:29 pm
The reason I don’t date many Asian guys is not at all based on their race; in fact I would argue that for those Asians that I would never consider dating, if you were to give them white features to accompany the same personality, they would be equally unattractive. I mean, there is simply a higher percentage of Asian guys who are clueless and awkward, not outgoing, just plain geeky, and utterly fail to take care of their appearance. Am I supposed to date a guy JUST because he’s Asian even though I find his personality and habits annoying and sometimes even repulsive? If I wouldn’t touch a white guy with those characteristics with a ten foot pole, what gives the gross Asian any more claim to any given Asian woman? How loathsome is the idea that women should prioritize racial similarity over all other features of compatibility.
I have never met an Asian guy with a great personality only to think “if only he had white physical features.” That is absolutely ludicrous and not at all how girls think. I absolutely adore guys like Adam Yamaguchi and Daniel Dae Kim, who represent an entirely different side of Asian males. But don’t blame me for also liking guys like James Franco and Brandon Routh if the Asian community provides few viable equivalents.
I mean come on, it’s really not like white geeks get any more ass than Asian geeks. I would bet Asian geeks get more because so many Asian girls date Asian guys exclusively, a trend I have definitely noticed at my university.
-Annoyed Asian Female
349 Nutjob // Jun 18, 2010 at 4:52 pm
@BL, Interesting observation and I as I completely agree that many of us do have socializing issues with the opposite gender (which race doesn’t?). However , it seems that even amongst ourselves we seem to have accepted the stereotype of the perpetual geek emasculation of the asian-american male community as a whole. I’m just saying its not good if even we ourselves believe it to be true. (People tend to emulate what society expects of them and thus resulting in the apparent largely skewed ratio of geeks to jocks.) What, I’m seeing in your comment is the acceptance of that very stereotype and thus the rejection of something that is very unique to your identity. Asian guys are not all the same and you yourself have done what you an to distance yourself from that stereotype. This is admirable but wouldn’t you prefer that asian males(like you and I) be seen as something (ex. sex objects etc)to be loved and desired as opposed to a label to be ridiculed or ignored? This perpetual cycle must be broken and and instead of accepting it as it is. We must first be proud of our unique identity and second help bring stereotypes such as these to an end. Instead of hating on a brother help them reach their potential so to speak.
350 Mark // Jun 23, 2010 at 12:45 pm
Annoyed Asian Female,
“I mean, there is simply a higher percentage of Asian guys who are clueless and awkward, not outgoing, just plain geeky, and utterly fail to take care of their appearance.”
Assuming this is true, it doesn’t exemplify the issue. For instance, Anglos are both taller and richer on average (worldwide) than the average Asian and height/wealth are universally desireable traits. However, jumping from that mean statistic and screaming: “I will _never_ date Asian guys!” is a completely different matter. It is this absolutism and dismissal of their own that betrays Asian American women’s psychological self-hate and treachery.
Moreover, if Asian women were seeking the best/brightest/greatest men, then again, no problem would exist. Asia women would be known as “picky”; women who only seek after the “best of the best”. But the stereotype is just the opposite: easy, undifferentiating, desperate to fit in, seeking any man, especially white, but anyone but Asian.
“How loathsome is the idea that women should prioritize racial similarity over all other features of compatibility.”
Cool. Then be choosy. Date the Pitts, Trumps, Murdochs of the world. Stop dating the stupid, trashy, thugs I always see you with of whatever ethnic background. Stop infesting yourself with STDs. Stop throwing yourselves at non-Asian guys and gain yourselves the reputation that you are the easiest bangs in town.
“I absolutely adore guys like Adam Yamaguchi and Daniel Dae Kim, who represent an entirely different side of Asian males.”
Really? Daniel Kim comes off as a very typical 2nd gen Asian guy to me. Where do you hang out??
351 Mark // Jun 23, 2010 at 12:49 pm
Bunni,
“I don’t want to be with a man who’s so insecure about themselves that they feel the need to hate on ALL Asian women just because she dates interracially.”
You’re joking, right? No Asian man has ever declaimed publicly or privately that he hates or would never date all Asian women. Only Asian women like yourself have.
“Besides, most Asian men aren’t attracted to me because they simply can’t handle a woman with strong opinions and neo-feminist values.”
Can’t handle you ’cause you’re too strong and neo-feminist?
Wake up from your dream. No one wants to date you except the idiot white/black guy with an Asian fetish. And he dates you despite your terrible personality.
352 Mark // Jun 23, 2010 at 1:12 pm
Nutjob,
“So boiling down to the nitty-gritty, both asian-american men and women want to be accepted by american mainstream culture(white people).”
Personally, this isn’t really a concern for me. What annoys me however are Asian women who embarrass themselves and others with their transparent words and deeds of betrayal and self-hate.
“The fact that many asian american men can’t date interacially(white women) while many asian american women can date (white men) breeds jealousy.”
If this is what you think, then you misunderstand the debate. It isn’t abuot jealousy. It’s about maintaining self-dignity within your community. I don’t care about outsiders. I do care what my sisters, cousins and aunts are saying/doing.
“Likewise if the situation was reversed, I’m pretty sure the argument would go the same way.”
No, because men __never__ denigrate their own. Doing so is tantamount to self-hate and suicide.
Wait, actually black men do — but they live in a dysfunctional, matriarchal group. But they do their deed in silence. Only Asian women scream from the top of their lungs that they HATE their own.
“(many of the posters seem to have a white fetish)”
Really? Who? Can you tell the difference between a fetish and a practical decision?
“So the question is whose fault is it?”
It’s all our fault, ultimately. But to the extent Asian women willingly refuse to recognize the problem and issue as it exists, they deserve most of the blame.
“My suggestion to asian american men would be instead of bickering over what gender/race is getting discriminated against or favored over, it would be best to develop our own unique identities and assimilate the best we can.”
This isn’t the issue. The problem is that Asian women will date a white/black guy and declaim that Asian guys are losers. If they’d just shut their trap, at least 50% of the problem would go away.
“Its best we asian american men not put white people on a pedestal.”
WTF are you talking about? You have Asian men mistaken for the women.
“Stand up for yourself act as everyone is your equal and not as your lesser or your better.”
Who says we don’t? Insults from outsiders breeze pass me. Insults from my sisters make me wanna give them a good shake and ask, “wtf is wrong with you? Don’t you understand that when you insult me you insult yourself, your father, mother, brother and everyone who looks remotely like you??!”
“We all just want to be accepted don’t we?”
Look, I don’t really care about being accepted by the white guy. I get along with white guys just fine. I just don’t like being insulted by the stupid asian woman and embarrassing me to no end while I’m with the white guy or gal.
Asian women (not all, but the stupid vocal minority): if you really wanna date that black/white guy, do it, but please keep your trap shut (your insults, that is). Stop embarrassing yourself but especially, stop embarrassing me. Your reputation is on the downhill; make an effort to improve for all our sakes. After all, in some diabolical way, we’re all connected even if you think you’re white or black or whatever you think you are today.
353 Mike Chang // Jun 29, 2010 at 2:08 am
@Gaurav Ahuja,
Why are you who are obviously East Indian, be interested in the subject of Asian women dating White guys and vice versa?
354 Mike Chang // Jun 29, 2010 at 2:11 am
@Dynasty, I am an Asian male who is AC/DC and I will show you how hot Asian men are? One night with me and you will forget White Chicks permanently!
355 Mike Chang // Jun 29, 2010 at 2:14 am
@HK_Guy, If you think that race is less of an issue here in Canada, it is because we Asians have taken over in many cities. Your comment is like a Black guy from Harlem saying that we have no racial problem here in Harlem. Obviously not since it is all Black!
356 Mike Chang // Jun 29, 2010 at 2:15 am
@Alan, I love Asians, but only Asian guys! Sorry Alan!
357 Alice // Jul 3, 2010 at 5:26 am
I’m Chinese. I came to Australia when I was five years old. I speak English better than my first language. I find that I don’t fit in with other Asians because I’ve assimilated into Western culture.
I think it’s rather unfair to hate or blame Asian women for dating outside of their ethnic background. I don’t tell people who they’re allowed to date.
My mother encourages me to date non-Asians. She doesn’t think race has anything to do with matrimonial happiness. She believes that you have to find the best person for you who not only loves you but complements your personality.
I haven’t dated Asian men before, not because I don’t like them, but rather I haven’t met one that I like.
My boyfriend is a New Zealander. I love him for who he is. Not because of his skin tone.
I think that Asian men shouldn’t worry about Asian women dating Caucasians or people of other ethnic backgrounds. They should recognise this as an opportunity to meet and date people from other cultures too. Because chances are, you might find what you’re looking for in a totally unexpected way.
358 Anonymous // Jul 6, 2010 at 6:07 am
i believe it’s mostly the media’s fault. the number of positive portrayals of asian men is probably lower than how many asian guy white girl couples there are (i’m one of the few). films and tv series like the hangover and heroes desexualise asian guys by portraying them as effeminite or childish to get cheap laughs. Also, in Romeo Must Die, the studio actively refilmed the scene where Jet Li kissed Aaliyah because an Asian man kissing a non-Asian was deemed inappropriate
359 DrivenToHate // Jul 6, 2010 at 9:23 am
@Alice, its interesting how australia is one of the most racist, anti-asian countries out there, and yet girls, including yourself, respond to this natural racism by seeking out white men more. Apparently, the use of violence and social ostracization is not something that should be ignored. Non-asians need to realize that the only way to gain acceptance in the world sometimes is through violent threat. Otherwise whites will continue to dominate.
360 danshaw1967 // Jul 6, 2010 at 9:38 am
Asian women have not bought into the same concepts of bull intellectual, high minded, self sufficiency and independence as white women (as a whole). A ‘LOT’ of white women seem to hate white men (secretly). They are subconsciously angry at white men and do things like flaunt their black ‘lovers’ with obvious distain for their white counterparts. Is it any wonder that white men in return, seek out asain women instead ? I know that I would.
361 rohan // Jul 8, 2010 at 9:00 am
i have read enough about this for a very long period and Theres only one reason for this
Its the colonial mentality to be honest , love/obsession for white. Its so obvious that countries of Asia which were ruled by the caucasian race have this trait(Imperialism)
Funny how societies of India,Philippines,Pakistan etc believe that white skin is connected with power,beauty,strength while as the tanned skin is related to poverty, farming and dirt, basically the low class which is just there to do menial jobs and serve the white skinned
These Asian women marry white boys because they think that will enhance their reputation in the society and anything that they will touch will turn to gold plus they believe that it will give them a superior outlook
Infact these idiots sometimes are blinded by the white skin so much that they dont know how much trouble they are getting themselves into
Often the white men who they chase ,have lost their beauty,charm and are unemployed, such guys take advantage of the submissive nature of these oriental women.Some even to do it get out of poverty
And these women go onto say “that asian men arent masculine enough and all that alpha male shit”
i just think that reminds me of the old saying kettle calling the pot black
They use such stereotypes to hide the real agenda of chasing the white man
They are closet racists and the best example is Alice , you make no effort to find good asian men and make stupid generalizations what a nincompoop!!
362 The Engineer // Jul 8, 2010 at 10:45 pm
As usual, Mark, you have clear and straightforward insight in this whole issue.
I thought it would be important for me to augment some statements that you have made.
“…You?re joking, right? No Asian man has ever declaimed publicly or privately that he hates or would never date all Asian women. Only Asian women like yourself have…”
– quotation of Mark
Actually, I have, and it is clear in many of my commentaries. After much research and analysis, I formulated my Psychotic Asian Female Theory, which can be searched and easily found in this forum. I still believe in that theory and have come to the conclusion (at least for myself) that there is no point to hating the mentally ill because the mentally ill are not in control of their actions; however, I have adopted a policy that I will never date a psychotic Asian female again.
“…No, because men __never__ denigrate their own. Doing so is tantamount to self-hate and suicide…”
– quotation of Mark
A lot of what I have said may be construed to be very embarrassing denigration; it is not, but rather I wanted to present a new viewpoint on this matter, and I actually like myself more now since the formulation of the Psychotic Asian Female Theory (to the point that I almost pity psychotic Asian females).
“…Really? Who? Can you tell the difference between a fetish and a practical decision?…”
– quotation of Mark
Thank you, Mark. Exactly, it is a practical decision (at least for myself).
For some time now, I have chosen to only communicate with Caucasian women, and my only regret is that I did not make this decision sooner.
I would like to share a secret with all my fellow Asian brothers: Caucasian women have noticed extremely aberrant behavior committed by psychotic Asian females.
Quite often now, many Caucasian women have shared with me their encounters with psychotic Asian females in the hopes of finding an explanation. I would like to point out that for a Caucasian woman to confide in an Asian man about something like this requires a tremendous leap of faith and confidence in the Asian man. (Normally, Caucasian women are taught social graces that generally prohibit impolite conversation, even if it is fact finding exercise.)
I am honest and straightforward, and I usually inform Caucasian women that:
1. Asian females and generally psychotic and that such information is easily available by simply Googling, “mental illness asian women.”
2. Caucasian women are considered by Asian females as the Enemy, and that they should avoid all contact with all Asian women. Many Caucasian women have already disassociated themselves from Asian females, as real world experience had taught Caucasian women that it is financially and physically risky to be near psychotic Asian women.
3. We, as Asian men, have no control over psychotic Asian females. We never did. I know it is very painful for all of us Asian males to admit this, but we do need to be honest with ourselves, and we should no longer harbor The Secret: I am very sure that all of us, when we were about 9 years old, have at one time confided in our fathers, older brothers, uncles, and grandfathers, the observations that we made of our mothers, sisters, aunts, and grandmothers — that they acted strangely (nicely stated), that they acted psychotically (realistically stated).
What was the answer we got from our fathers, older brothers, uncles, and grandfathers? SHUT UP! And never speak of that again — Never!
Under the penalty of death!
Well, we are dutiful to the family. We maintained The Secret; however, I believe there is no need to maintain that secret any longer because of the simple fact that Western Society is beginning to suspect that Asian females are generally psychotic.
As they say in the Western World: “The cat is out of the bag.”
“A Non PC thug’s Reply:
May 14th, 2010 at 2:17 am
@The Engineer, You do realize your list is subjective right and not factual right?
…
2. I have seen tons of make a sailor white women.
…”
– quotation of A Non PC thug’s Reply
I believe that he was challenging my assertion that Caucasian women are more enculturated and mannerly when compared to psychotic Asian females.
In a later commentary, I will address that issue.
Thank you for listening.
363 The Engineer // Jul 8, 2010 at 11:17 pm
Well said, rohan; very well said.
“…i just think that reminds me of the old saying kettle calling the pot black
They use such stereotypes to hide the real agenda of chasing the white man
They are closet racists and the best example is Alice , you make no effort to find good asian men and make stupid generalizations what a nincompoop!!”
– quotation of rohan
Try Googling: “racism and mental illness.”
There will be many articles that agree with the concept, and there are many that oppose the concept.
The following is one that seems to agree with the concept:
“Is Extreme Racism a Mental Illness?”
“Yes”
“It can be a delusional symptom of psychotic disorders”
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1071634/
Here is a paragraph from the above article:
“…Extreme racists’ violence should be considered in the context of behavior described by Allport in The Nature of Prejudice.2 Allport’s 5-point scale categorizes increasingly dangerous acts. It begins with verbal expression of antagonism, progresses to avoidance of members of disliked groups, then to active discrimination against them, to physical attack, and finally to extermination (lynchings, massacres, genocide). That fifth point on the scale, the acting out of extermination fantasies, is readily classifiable as delusional behavior…”
I believe that if one were to analyze carefully the above and compare that analysis to the behavior of psychotic Asian females, one will find beginnings of a correlation.
Thank you for listening.
364 random asian guy // Jul 13, 2010 at 7:44 pm
i still go for asian girls but not asian girls who have dated white guys in the past. i usually just ignore them. think about it, would you want to be considered “Plan B” for some asian girl whos relationship with a white guy didn’t work out. I wouldn’t. What guy in there right mind would settle for “second place.”
365 DrivenToHate // Jul 17, 2010 at 4:50 am
@random asian guy, agreed, the ones that are brainwashed… youll never be good enough in their eyes.
366 Asian // Jul 22, 2010 at 10:38 pm
@Mark,
“as flattering as it may be for Asian women that they may get hit on with high frequency, it’s common knowledge that Asian women are seen as easy and often depicted as hypersexualized in the media”
Asian girls tend to be easygoing/avoid confrontation. But “easiness” is actually just a facade for high standards.
367 anon // Jul 24, 2010 at 5:26 am
@Asian, high standards? Not really, but nice try. Asian women with white rejects/losers is a very well known stereotype. I would say most of the WM/AF coupling fit into this category.
368 thebigfatflapjack // Aug 9, 2010 at 6:25 pm
@Mike Chang – My friend, to me you come across ignorant or, prejudiced. Assuming you’re the former, here is a quick lesson – The Republic of India is *geographically* in ASIA. so Gaurav Ahuja (a person of indian nationality/descent) is also *ASIAN*. if you now prefer to be seen differently from other Asians feel free to call yourself ‘East-Asian/Oriental-Asian/[insert nationality]-Asian’, or anything to similar effect.
But i think considering people from the Far East to be the only true ‘Asians’ and people from India/Pakistan/Sri Lanka to be ‘East Indians’ shows your ignorance and/or prejudice. I dare you to venture into Pakistan and call them ‘East Indians’. *shudders at the very though*
so mike, if i were you i’d google ‘map of asia’ to remind yourself the countries in asia. you may find it intriguing to be reminded that in addition to the countries i already mentioned iran, saudi arabia, lebanon, UAE, tajikistan and a number of other countries are in Asia as well. hence people from those respective countries are also *technically* Asian, as much asian as you and me.
Next, this is also a public internet forum if you get what i mean? Anyone with access to a computer/mobile phone/what-have-you can view and comment if you know what i’m trying to say?
Lastly, though I may not agree with Gaurav word to word I must admit i’ve noticed a lot of White-Caucasian men pairing up with Oriental-Asian/Far-Eastern Asian women. i believe there are a host of reasons for this phenomenon:
1, its the ‘in’ thing for a white man to have an oriental woman hanging off his arms. an oriental-asian woman is the modern ‘trophy chick’ for a white caucasian man.
2, oriental-asian women are stereotyped (and is true to some extent) to be more family oriented. i once saw a Thai woman clipping her white male partner’s toenails in public! i wonder how many white women would be prepared to do the same.
3, white men still continue to have a lot of power in this world be it financial, political or social etc. they are seen as the ‘ideal male’ in many societies, even though this isn’t well substantiated. but there is good news because this view is beginning to see changes and men from other ethnicities are now becoming increasinly succesful in life be it attracting exotic women, developing their careers etc. however, there is still a long way to go though, and my point here is (for the moment atleast), many oriental-asian women would continue to be attracted attracted to the status and power of a white man.
i could go on and on but i think you catch my drift. but in case you don’t, feel free to ask for clarification, or even engage in debate. i would advise you, however, to keep away from insults or personal attacks as then i’d have no other option other than to block you.
have a good day
– TheBigFatFlapjack
ps. if you were just being prejudiced instead of ignorant (which i have a feeling you were but i’m giving you the benefit of the doubt) just don’t bother with what i said because on principle i do not wish to argue with bigots.
369 random white chick // Aug 25, 2010 at 1:35 pm
I don’t hate Asian women at all (it’s not their fault), but it does get frustrating when in the circles I tend to frequent, both Asian AND white men prefer Asian women. White women are more likely to either get with someone totally outside of that social milieu, or stay single.
Intermarriage is *not* working both ways. Asian women are going with white men, but I don’t really see that many Asian men going with white women. On the rare occasion that they do, they only seem to be going with the top 1% blonde model or extremely highly fashionable type, not with women who look like “the girl next door”.
Otherwise, I’d be dating Asian guys instead of complaining that everyone wants an Asian girl.
370 DrivenToHate // Aug 29, 2010 at 7:30 am
Its because there is so much social pressure on both the guy and girl for an Asian man dating a white woman. I would date a white chick but she usually will get stigmatized and then ostracized by her social circle. Even when Im in an Asian country most white chicks chill with ex-pats. For me, although I will fight for whomever I am with its annoying to have people give you a hard time/ try to cockblock you when youre with a nonasian, esp white. For white men everyone assumes that white men own society so anything they do is OK. What other reason could there be?
I just hit the bar two days ago, and remember bar hopping in an Asian country a few months back. At the club in Asia, the girls were sooooo responsive and interested. Here in the States, it seems that most white girls were more interested in talking to ugly white guys than a good looking tall asian like me!
371 DrivenToHate // Aug 29, 2010 at 7:31 am
btw, why is an asian site being run by a guy named Chris Pearson? Whats his agenda?? I think we know…
372 Jtn // Sep 4, 2010 at 7:05 pm
Look, you fucking idiot who’s probably not Asian, a lot of Asians don’t consider Indians Asian. I don’t consider Indians oror Filipinos Asian. You’re a jackass, and if you want to complain about racism, gtfo this site.
373 eyesoftiger // Sep 5, 2010 at 11:43 am
As a black female living in America, i can honestly say that i can understand how Asian males feel. American society constantly shows white males/females as the prime of the crop, they have been so successful at this that black men seem to run to white women when ever they move up in life. I have notice that even in the commercials for dating sites, they always show black men/white women or white men/Asian women, this really upsets me because i would love to see them show black couples at times. Even in Hollywood, black women are not seen as a beautiful partner unless they look mix almost non black. Movies also like to show Asian males as nerds, who never seems to be as cool as their white male friends, same thing with black females always playing the role of the side kick to white females. On another note i wonder why does every non white race hates the black race so much? We have never ever bomb, enslaved or done anything wrong to other races on a massive scale like whites; yet we are still the most hated, while whites are the most loved. I am amazed at this attitude and mindsets of non whites towards blacks. P.S. I FIND JAPANESE GUYS TO BE INCREDIBLY HOT, BUT BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THEY WILL NEVER LOOK MY WAY (DUE TO MINDSETS ABOUT BLACKS, ESPECIALLY BLACK WOMEN)I JUST ADMIRE THEM FROM AFAR.
374 Tyage // Sep 7, 2010 at 3:11 am
I’m a tall scandinavian guy with light blond hair and green/yellow eyes. I’m considered goodlooking among the girls here, but whenever I go to South America or Asia, girls scream for me(girls here generally prefer south european guys or latinos). While I consider girls from south america the sexiest, I prefer the asian women by far. They are just so mild, intelligent,charming and feminine in a natural way(everyting a woman should aspire to be), that when I get married, I can’t imagine it not being an asian girl.
Please excuse any grammar errors, English is not my native language.
375 Rob // Sep 13, 2010 at 8:54 pm
I found this discussion kind of funny… but I am a white guy. I am nothing special… just the average white guy. I have dated almost all races and I happen to find Asian woman most attractive.
Its more about looks… I like olive skin tones, dark eyes, dark hair and pretty smiles. If the VJJ is any different… I haven’t noticed. Maybe a little shorter… Some woman have gaping holes OTHERS have tight snatches. I haven’t found ANYTHING to suggest it’s based on race.
One other thing I have noticed… white woman are the “easiest” to sleep with. I am not saying it’s bad or good. It may be why also prefer Asian woman more… they SEEM more conservative.
Getting to the point MOST of my friends are Laotian. They all prefer blond, white woman, only one would even consider dating within their race. Should I start to resent them? The Asian woman friends I have are the exact same.
Maybe it’s just different in the South… not sure. Ultimately what does it matter? I can understand the frustration bc I used to feel the same way towards white woman and black men.
I eventually figured out I didn’t like the woman who ONLY date a certain race anyway. Also, getting angry over it really only hurts you… the couple you are hating on, will forget about you as soon as they leave. Why put yourself through the self doubt?
About penis size… whats it matter? If you find the one and you love each other… who cares? If you have a 4 inch penis… find other ways and use toys. If you have a 12 inch… well you probably won’t get to use that on most girls.
I read somewhere on here a person wont date an Asian woman that has dated a white guy bc you feel like plan B. I dont want to offend you but we are all plan B or have you never dated anyone before?
376 haley // Sep 14, 2010 at 10:20 am
@Gaurav Ahuja, I grew up in Denver, CO, and literally every Asian/Caucasian pairing I saw until I left for college was Asian male/White female. Even now, 2 of my girlfriends (gorgeous blondes) just married Korean-American guys, and my Korean-American guy friend just proposed to his White girlfriend (who said yes). Things only really turned when I lived next to UCLA, at which point Asian girls seemed INSULTED (no joke) that I grew up seeing things the other way around (“I just don’t see why that would happen. It doesn’t make sense.”–guess to those UCLA Asian girls it’s only ok for THEM to date white people, not the other way around. To me, that’s racism). Anyway, so there’s my two cents. Korean guys and Japanese guys get White girls, in my experience. They treat us well and are adorable and funny
377 Some asian guy // Oct 7, 2010 at 9:25 am
You guys have kind of idiotic posts, doing this whole research thing about asian girls not liking asian guys, and white girls not liking asian guys. Who ever gave that statistic is just making us asian males look bad.
I dated both asians and white girls. White girls are like best friend material to me. I find them in school, outside; and they usually do the approaching to me. You guys really need to step up your game. I read one of the posts about asian girls liking asian guys who arent nerdy and take care of their looks. That would be korean guys, who manage their looks, and japanese guys. Some asian guys are just more attractive than the others. Asian girls probably just want to try something different. We do not own them.
378 pixelplug // Oct 9, 2010 at 3:22 pm
@Some asian guy,
I’m going to have to agree with this. I’ve never heard about all this until college when an Asian girl said she wouldn’t date me because I’m Asian (probably something else). I became kind of obsessed with this to the point where I made angry posts like the ones on here. My confidence shot down because of it as well. Being at a disadvantage because of something I can’t change.
Eventually I said fuck it and moved on. Confidence shot back up and everything was like it was before. And then I realized what it was, confidence. That’s all you really need. I bet the majority of Asian girls who claim they don’t date Asian men don’t date them because they don’t find the attractive but because they aren’t given the opportunity to do so. The ones that really exclude Asian men are in a minority and shouldn’t be dealt with.
Of course getting confidence isn’t easy and with the several media portrayal of Asian men coupled with the stereotype that Asian women won’t date Asian men could be a tough obstacle.
379 Tom // Oct 10, 2010 at 7:52 pm
Really?
The best looking people of each race seems to go with each other.
The "top 1% blonde model" for example would be looked at slumming it
if she was dating an Asian guy. Same story for a "top 1% Asian model" with
a white guy.
If anything I'd say the plain weeaboo girl would be far more likely to date an Asian man same as the plain Asian women dating a white man.
However if your an unnatractive woman you lose to everyone.
380 Tom // Oct 10, 2010 at 7:55 pm
Totally agree with this, I think some girls will just try to think of anything to not date you if you didn't build attraction.
Saying something about being Asian/too short/too tall/ too fat or skinny etc
is just easy for a girl to say as its something that you can't change so she won't have to deal with the guy asking her out again.
Any excuse will do.
381 Rac // Nov 16, 2010 at 5:48 pm
It’s funny that Asian guys are saying that they’ll go with the white girls just to get back at us Asian girls.
Don’t force yourself. They’ll look just too mature for you and probably have loads of wrinkles (no offense) before you do and you know darn well about it.
382 Ed // Nov 30, 2010 at 9:42 pm
@Rac, Hahaha!
“have loads of wrinkles (no offense)”
You’re one to talk. I hope you don’t mind wrinkles on your men (you probably don’t) and you know darn well about it.
383 Eric S. // Dec 1, 2010 at 7:04 am
@Rac, what are you talking about? I’m 28 and my gf is 18. It works out excellently for the both of us. She gets experience and maturity (18 yr old white guys are very, VERY immature) and I get an extremely attractive young lady.
384 jmom // Dec 13, 2010 at 12:55 am
@Engineer-you are really creepy!
385 Ilie // Dec 18, 2010 at 3:46 pm
so will this cream get rid of it?… ups.. wrong board…
386 The Engineer // Jan 1, 2011 at 1:00 pm
To those who think my analysis is “creepy.”
You are entitled to your opinion, but that does not change the fact that there is clinical evidence to suggest that Asian females are psychotic (and as a result, very dangerous).
Try Googling the search string, “asian female mental illness.” You will get an abundance of information supporting the psychotic Asian female theory, which I have been discussing for the better part of a year.
Sometime the truth is disagreeable, but it cannot be ignored.
Thank you for listening.
387 The Engineer // Jan 1, 2011 at 2:14 pm
Speaking of very dangerous, here is another psychotic Asian female:
“After weeks of trial and a hung jury, fate of Manling Williams remains a mystery”
by Daniel Tedford, Staff Writer
Posted: 12/04/2010
http://www.sgvtribune.com/news/ci_16779636
“Former lover testifies in murder trial of Rowland Heights woman who killed husband, kids”
By Daniel Tedford Staff Writer
Posted: 10/25/2010
http://www.whittierdailynews.com/news/ci_16432862
There is just no satisfying a psychotic Asian female. She is married to a Caucasian fellow. She has two sons with him. She wanted an affair with another Caucasian man, who previously was a boyfriend.
Her solution: Hack her husband to death and suffocate her two sons.
A real model minority.
Thank you for listening.
388 ACuriousPoster // Jan 3, 2011 at 5:22 pm
Just logged on to this article. I didn’t really pay much attention to the article but more towards the postings here. Didn’t read the whole thread either but I got to see some well-thought posts (like my favs – Lonely Asian Guy’s fantastic posts, Nancy, Mark, Roger Chan, AnotherAsianGuyHere, Tom of Apr 29, 2010, etc) and lots of pretty assinine ones.
I do agree that the social phenomenon of significant Asian women marrying non-Asian men in significant numbers (thereby implying non-evaluative if not downright unethical behaviour on the womens’ part), is brought in large part by cultural disillusionment via forced racism. It being perpetuated largely by Western media and in also in large part by a lack of strong social cultivation by Asian communities and families themselves to foster a genuine sense of pride in certain key areas pertaining to their cultures are at fault here. But that’s not my major point here.
But one thing that alluded to me was what one poster Eurasian Sensation did bring up and that was some interesting comparison of East Asian societies with something like Islamic societies. As an East Asian man that twice seriously considered converting to Islam, (though obviously never had the moral courage or you can say, intellectual honesty to do so but that’s me!) I thought I might put my two cents here.
Loyalty to a person of the same ethnic cultural backgrounds as somewhat practiced in Muslim societies, is seen as more apparent because there is a unifying cultural force with a pronounced set of beliefs and theology that shape customs, mores and norms for those societies. Women or men tend to have first preference towards their kind first and with a guided morality instructing them on being cautious about marrying outside lest it seen as being morally corrosive.
I disagree somewhat with Tom that a philosophy like Confucianism with emphasis on “prestige, status, hierarchy, and brands” is totally at fault here. Keep in mind that without a philosophy like Confucianism, East Asian societies would definitely be in political, economic, and cultural chaos akin to the tune of Africa. The unitary (if not arbitrary) social cohesion it provides has fostered a level of good social and community bonds that have preserved East Asian cultures for this long. And whether that can be seen as a fault in highlighting the phenomenon mentioned here, is rather weak. Confucianism if anything reinforces cultural pride and cohesion within East Asian communities.
I also strongly disagree with Eva’s (May 8, 2010) comments that Judeo-Christian “values” (whatever they are since Christianity is more a faith dealing with metaphysical matters – states of sin and salvation etc) are a hindrance to “Western” cultures and that Chinese society and families somehow benefits from the lack of it. If anything, Judeo-Christian religions bring about that very sense of unitary cohesion and the sense of social pride that goes with it (that you somehow belong to a higher cause, whether you are religious or not). This was what brought about the cohesion necessary for African-Americans, Hispanics, or indigenous cultures in America take pride and to stifle (though not prevent) the phenomenon that is unfortunately happening to Asians. Outsiders may think of Islamic women as not being liberated, and trapped in just-as-masochist pseudo-“Genesis” existence, but honestly talk to a whole number of them and they will readily tell you the beauty of their own spiritual values and how it cultivated a virtuous sense of character that women ought to have and how this serves as a brilliant counterpoint to what the “troublesome” West gives.
This I guess factors a question, should there be then some kind of social revolution among Asian communities that reinvigorates their sense of pride in who they are as a people and culture, because there are incredibly beautiful things there. As I think the poster Mark said, Asian communities facing up to the problem and admitting there is one and fostering a sense of pride of who they are, along with their histories, norms, customs, will go along way to solving the perceived social injustice that is occurring here with both Asian men and in particular, Asian women.
Or if you want something that makes a more poignant statement – perhaps if East Asian men, of all backgrounds Chinese/Korean/Japanese/Vietnamese etc. men should initiate a movement socially extraordinary and perhaps radical, such as converting en masse to a belief system like Islam, will the socio-political-cultural dynamics change? Group cohesion and social empowerment through stronger bonds and cultural loyalty would and could be cultivated. A Western Asian woman of the kind of caricature brought up in these posts, if in this kind of setting, would think twice about “leaving the reservation” by chasing a White/black dude or opening her mouth in such an insolent manner. Though obviously some groups like Arab dudes would still be in the complicated picture!. Then again you don’t necessarily see Asian Muslim countries (like Central Asia, or to a large degree Malaysia or Indonesia) marrying out of their race having the kind of problematic gender relations that their non-Muslim counterparts have, as they are just as nationalistic as East Asian Confucian societies. And hey! As “Hang in there” of Feb 27, 2010 stated, Middle Eastern women think highly of East Asian men!
But other than my rather dinty speculative comment above in the last paragraph, I agree with AnotherAsian Guy’s comments (February 18 2009 onwards) that when there is empowerment in culture in popular, vernacular and in a intellectual level as what has happened with Korea, I have to commend groups of Asian posters here including the Asian-American women (Jessica of Apr 6, 2009, Nancy, somekoreanchick) who are proud of who they are and their loyalty and perception of their Asian male brethren as ideal spouses. Better to cultivate all that instead.
389 The Engineerr // Jan 11, 2011 at 11:04 pm
More psychotic Asian females!
“Why Chinese Mothers Are Superior”
“Can a regimen of no playdates, no TV, no computer games and hours of music practice create happy kids? And what happens when they fight back?”
by Amy Chua, Esq.
dated January 8, 2011
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704111504576059713528698754.html?mod=WSJ_hps_RIGHTTopCarousel_1
You can see it in the body language within the photographs; you can see it in the text.
But more importantly, you can see it in the commentary (3,255 comments!) associated with the above web article.
I feel very sorry for her Caucasian husband and her two mixed daughters.
From now on, I shall make it a point of action for myself to be polite and considerate of Caucasian men’s feelings and warn them about psychotic Asian females, such as the one depicted in the above web link.
Thank you for listening.
390 Giovanni // Jan 14, 2011 at 12:53 am
Quite frankly, any white guys who got yellow fever and want to date an asian women is fine with me. I don’t like asian women. First of all they’re ugly as sin, have small breasts and dull, fickle personalities. And most of them have a complex of being asian. Oh yeah, and they’re too inhibited in bed. I only date white, hispanic and black women and absolutely happy with it.
391 Mike // Jan 14, 2011 at 1:17 am
Asian women have slanty eyes, tiny titties, no personalities, are pretentious wanna-bes in every sense of the word and are bad in bed. When they breed with white men, they’re kids come out screwed up like them.
392 Matt // Jan 16, 2011 at 5:37 pm
I don’t think we should resent asian women, but white women instead. White women prefers every other race except asian. The only women who like asian men are fat, nerdy, and homosexuals.
393 Andrew // Jan 18, 2011 at 1:56 pm
This entire blog is the reason why AF and WM go together. Laughs as you take “hours to analyze what i wrote for some deeper meaning”.
394 GoChinaGO! // Jan 23, 2011 at 8:15 pm
Thats why I support China. Love to see the West go down the shitter.
How ironic that white men love Asian women, yet hate China. They love Chinese women yet hate China. Like, shouldnt you also love China as a result of your fetish? I support China, the Taliban, Al-Qaeda… the West needs to go down. Down, down, to Chinatown.
-an ABC who hates America.
395 GoChinaGO! // Jan 23, 2011 at 8:28 pm
Just needed to post a beautiful beheading video in case you asian guys want some schaedenfreude to help ease the pain from these conversations above.
http://www.ballistic-art.net/hensley.html
Its Jack Hensley and he’s in pain. Remember white guys pay for their hegemony with blood.
Enjoy!
396 GoChinaGO! // Jan 23, 2011 at 8:31 pm
That Jack Hensley guy opens his mouth at the end, even though his head is detached from his body!!! Think he’s still alive when his head was detached? Pretty interesting!
397 David // Jan 25, 2011 at 11:26 am
@Mike Galsworthy,
Actually, you’re wrong. I has been shown that womens’ choice of partner IS more related to physical appearance than men. The question we’ve got to ask is “why do women find Caucasians more attractive than other races?”.
My own opinion is that western media is more pervasive than any other in the world. They tend to depict white males in dominant roles. Also it is probably fair to say that white men (people) control most of the world’s economic wealth. This may contribute to an image where white men (or women) are superior to other races.
It’s only in Asian media that Asian men are depicted in the dominant role.
398 David // Jan 25, 2011 at 11:32 am
@Vladan, You send a lot of time looking at other guys’ dicks?
399 David // Jan 25, 2011 at 11:37 am
@GoChinaGO!,
Imagine a world without caucasians. Peaceful huh?
400 David // Jan 25, 2011 at 11:42 am
My reaction, as an Asian male? I’d cease my association with any AF in a r/ship with a WM. If they love white people so much, then they can spend all their time with them. They should probably not see their families anymore either, seeing as their own father is probably not good enough for them.
401 David // Jan 25, 2011 at 11:47 am
PS – Of course this is an issue of racism. The fact that one race is more attracted to another is ,by definition , an example of racism. The fact that , quite often, a race has a preference for another over their own, is just downright puzzling. The worst kind of racism, IMO.
402 David // Jan 25, 2011 at 11:49 am
PPS- Imagine the uproar if the situation was reversed? There would be riots! AM are just too passive about it.
403 David // Jan 25, 2011 at 11:58 am
@Shaun, Shaun, I guarantee you wouldn’t feel the same if the situation was reversed. Imagine the thought of members of your own race finding others more attractive, or finding you unattractive. It isn’t an issue to you, but it is to me.
All this is assuming, of course , that you’re not Asian. If you are, then you should man-up and show some pride mate.
404 David // Jan 25, 2011 at 12:01 pm
@HK_Guy, You’re a RARE exception, based on daily observation. I live in Sydney. Everyday , when I go out, I’ll see AF with WM. I’ll see an AM/WF couple once a week, at best.
405 David // Jan 25, 2011 at 12:18 pm
@Chantelle, If the situation was that AM dated WF more than AF/WM then you’d find an issue with. If it’s such a non-issue , then why is there even a discussion on it?
406 David // Jan 25, 2011 at 12:20 pm
@hrhkat, I think there’s more truth to this than u think (read another of my posts re this)
407 David // Jan 25, 2011 at 12:21 pm
@dude, what & white guys aren’t?
408 David // Jan 25, 2011 at 12:31 pm
@moon123,
I’m an Asian male. I actually find most WF to be quite hideous in both character and appearance. Anyone see the recent Twitter post of Katy Perry by Russell Brand? Truly ugly. Makeup does wonders. I’m an “ugly Asian male” but I bet I could look good with makeup on as well.
409 David // Jan 25, 2011 at 12:55 pm
@wesley, You’re a creepy perv mate
410 Eve // Feb 16, 2011 at 12:25 am
It’s because we don’t want to deal with your bitchy parents as they get older. It’s enough to deal with our own asshole parents.
411 ryanfriday // Mar 28, 2011 at 11:44 pm
as the original writer of this article, let me just say thanks for the many views! I truly hope that it’s intention of satire was and is not forgotten.
and i still very much still feel the same way. asian males, get over it. It just happens
412 Maximus // Apr 1, 2011 at 12:40 am
haha, funny article.
I am Caucasian and more attracted to Asian girls than to blonde girls. So there is one more blonde girl out there now, which can be dated by an Asian guy. Its called “TRADE” haha
make love to girls and fuck racism!
take care
413 John Rambo // Jul 15, 2011 at 5:09 am
BOYCOTT AMERICAN WOMEN
Why American men should boycott American women
http://boycottamericanwomen.blogspot.com
I am an American man, and I have decided to boycott American women. In a nutshell, American women are the most likely to cheat on you, to divorce you, to get fat, to steal half of your money in the divorce courts, don’t know how to cook or clean, don’t want to have children, etc. Therefore, what intelligent man would want to get involved with American women?
American women are generally immature, selfish, extremely arrogant and self-centered, mentally unstable, irresponsible, and highly unchaste. The behavior of most American women is utterly disgusting, to say the least.
This blog is my attempt to explain why I feel American women are inferior to foreign women (non-American women), and why American men should boycott American women, and date/marry only foreign (non-American) women.
BOYCOTT AMERICAN WOMEN!
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414 Doucheland Doucheland Uber Alles!!! // Jul 17, 2011 at 9:15 pm
ATTENTION ASIAPHILES!!!
Read below:
I was once like yourself, but I cannot cure you. It takes a person training their own mind in order to change your preference.
Instead, I will help you another way.
Here is a list of tips on how to HIDE your asiaphilia from an asian woman you are attempting to court:
1. Wear sunglasses.
The main way asian women can tell a man is an asiaphile by the look in his eyes, and a person can tell a lot about a person just by looking in the other persons eyes (their mood, their attitude, etc.)
2. Make sure you are hygienic.
This is a given for in any situation with a woman. Asiaphiles as asians call you, and once called me, are identified by a certain disgusting thing about them. A lot of asians have made the observation that a lot of asiaphiles dont shower, and some dont shave, and some dont do either. Make sure you are shaven and showered in the mornings. Make sure to get those hair cuts every now and then.
3. Work on your social skills.
Social awkwardness can come off bad. In fact, it almost always does. Make sure you are not nervous when talking to one. Try not to stutter, or say “um” too much.
4. Talk to her like any woman of your own race.
Not all of them are foreighn, so dont try to talk to them in some random asian language. And dont speak slowly either.
When attempting to make conversation, dont ask her where she is from, or about her culture, and dont talk endlessly about how great you think asian culture is. Talk to her like a woman of your own race.
5. Dont be racist.
This should be a given, but dont talk about asian steotypes, or make fun of asians, or say that asian men are inferior to her face. try to be racially sensitive.If you seem racist, then she may suspect you are an asiaphile.
6. Respect her like any other woman of your own race.
If you have nor respect for women, then I cant help you.
415 NotViagra // Jul 30, 2011 at 5:27 am
Just want to inject my 2 cents as well.
You seriously cannot buy into these
self-doubts, hates, and division its causing
among us. Some people on this post need
help and if it upset you so much about
interracial of AF/WM. Go out and get
you some. At least you will be occupied. Peace
P.S. Nancy – Spoken like a true sister
416 Bal T'san Chin // Aug 1, 2011 at 4:57 am
Getting angry and resentful isn’t going to change the laws of Attraction – people like who they like.
Some people like Toyotas, some prefer Chevys.
There is even a website that specializes in Asian F /White M matchmaking:
http://www.asiangirlsandwhiteguys.com
Let love find its own way.
417 Deion. // Aug 26, 2011 at 4:26 pm
I am a white guy, recently divorced. I went back on the dating scene. I am okay looking, fit, moderately successful. I like white women, but I have one flaw. I am short. 5’6″. I have had 4’11″ say that they only date 5’8″ or above.
Okay that’s fine. Plenty of women out there. And these days dating sites make it easier.
But wait, what the hell. So so so so many fat white women. Or when you read the profile they basically say that they are “bitchy.” Many many many say this. Or they are fat and bitchy.
One lady had 4 kids, and felt like she deserved Brad Pitt. She was pretty. But not hot. Her story is not uncommen. 30+ year old women, 2-3 kids. And they think that they can just post that they are “bitchy.” And still want a guy that I am guessing will never talk to them.
So my friend at work is married to a Chinese women. She isn’t hot, but she is pretty, and nice, and interesting, and EDUCATED, and she is thin.
I don’t have an asian fetish, I have a thin fetish. I like slender women.
And yes, my “looks” in America pretty much puts me in the fat women, or “women with issues” line. I am not bad looking, I am clean, I work out and am kind of buff, but that’s just the way it is.
I am considering taking my friend up on meeting his wife’s friend in China.
418 confused // Aug 31, 2011 at 12:49 pm
Oh god, I second what the white guy above me posted. The asian girls I respect are EDUCATED. And yes, I’m still a virgin haha. Just don’t see myself chasing some unworthies just for the sake of losing it – somedays I’m just not sure though – I better not be one of those thirty year old men dating twenty somethings.
419 Ayane // Sep 4, 2011 at 3:38 am
actually I’m a asian girl and I sort of dislike white-washed asian girls/guys that they outside of race as well (its okay if they do it once in a while but some asian NEVER date asian).
420 Important Facts Were Left Out // Oct 20, 2011 at 9:01 am
Most of the time I see Asian guys dating white girls, the girls are reputable, good-looking (at least on par with the guy), and are overall decent.
When Asian girls date white guys, they date ones who immediately create resentment because they often aren’t good-looking enough to be in the same league, are often broke, and are overall flops.
I love it when the couples are on par. My godchild is a product of such a thing, and I date white girls that are at or arguably “above” my level.
421 troll // Oct 25, 2011 at 5:07 pm
Where’s the post on Asians who like ridiculing other Asians to justify their self loathing insecurities and unwavering white fetish. Oh wait, this is it!
422 Amy // Nov 9, 2011 at 12:34 am
I love Asian men and I am a white girl I think you should let the Asian women have the white men so us beautiful intelligent sweet white women can have you! Sometimes things happen for a reason, embrace change cuz my friends and I we love the Asian men the white ones are just not our style we love you for you it’s not a fetish it’s just Asian culture is beautiful and Asian men are very manly charming and know how to treat a women and are amazing in bed and white men could definetly learn alot from you I know I’m generalizing but it’s just my personal experiences and my friends aswell so if they don’t want you we do lol and if u don’t want us then I’m sure there are Asian women out there for you good things are worth waiting for and come when you least expect it
423 Amy // Nov 9, 2011 at 12:42 am
And there are alot of beautiful intelligent sweet Asian women who won’t disgrace you so why be so upset about those insensitive rude insecure bitches u speak of they clearly aren’t for you. real women are motherly and sweet and sexy and kind and don’t diss u and take away your sense of self and you good Asian men should be proud and understand your worth
424 Your a straight BITCH // Nov 16, 2011 at 8:58 am
God damn. There really are some weak pussy ass weenies out there. What kind of fruit cake would post something like this on the internet?
“Amongst Asian men outings or hang outs, when they see a couple walking down the street comprised of an Asian female and white man, they will ridicule the heck out of the couple…but of course never out loud.”
” Asian men believe that interracial dating is a threat to the unity of the Asian community, or something like that”
” It is even to the point where Asian men become depressed at the sight of this, asking themselves, “damn, what is wrong with me?”
What the fuck is that? Your kidding me right as if you single handedly represent the whole asian race. It pisses me off I have to degrade myself by commenting on this article because chances are theres like 10000 more “asian guys” who post garbage JUST LIKE THIS for the world to see.
I cant believe this. I have no sympathy for you.
May you live forever.
425 random asian female // Dec 9, 2011 at 8:35 am
um so im an asian female and i have a white boyfriend. before him, i never once thought that i will end up with a white guy until i met my current boyfriend as i’ve always only been around asian guys. we are both in the same line of career (seafaring). he’s gentlemanly, disciplined and caring and he has his vulnerable side that sometimes i feel that only i know how to take care of him. he provided me with the love, affection, fidelity and care that i always found to be lacking in asian guys that i date. he is the one for me and i know it. point is that i know there might be asian girls who dont date asian guys because of whatever reasons but there are some like me who are dating white guys because of the old fashioned love.
426 Asian female // Dec 30, 2011 at 5:33 am
Great, this article shows how shallow some asian men can be! I’m an asian woman dating a white guy and I’m sick of all those asian men harassing me for dating a white guy! recently an asian man on a bus called me a slut for dating a white guy and he looked soo creepy and ugly, no wonder he’s not getting any chicks! yes I do find my white boyfriend very attractive, but I’ve also come across some asian men who are just as attractive and nice but all of them already got girlfriends. and my white bf happens to love me very much and cares a lot about me, so what am I supposed to do? reject him and look for an asian guy instead? so if you’re an asian man reading my comment and you think you can tell an asian woman whom to date, you can go fuck yourself!
427 WTF? // Jan 1, 2012 at 7:51 pm
There are more white girls who like asian guys than asian girls that like white guys…so what is the problem?
428 Ji-Yeon // Jan 2, 2012 at 12:07 pm
^ LOL. That’s not true in the slightest. Take your head out of your ass.
429 Ji-Yeon // Jan 2, 2012 at 12:26 pm
You got to love the double standard of some of these comments. Take it from a Korean woman who has been all over the world, and hasn’t spent their entire life in America – you’re all wrong. Not one of you have provided a single piece of tangible evidence to support your claims. A large number of these comments spout bogus claims, then go on further to post some biased “intellectual study” that has far too many contradictions and “what if’s?”
That said, your personal experiences, and things you’ve heard or read DO NOT count as fact, or support any facts in any way or form. Your basing everything you’ve learned about Asians in general, upon Asian-Americans, who reside within America. I’m Korean, born and raised, and I currently reside within Scotland in order to study at university. And I have to tell you guys, it feels pretty damn good living in a country that is not fixated everything race related.
It seems to me that the problem lies with most of you, as individuals. So stop condemning others for your short comings. Oh, and one more thing, I’m single, and I plan on staying this way until I finish my studies, secure a job I like, and am a few more years older. I don’t ‘plan’ on dating any race, although the man I marry will more than likely be Korea because I do plan on going home once I finish university. And no, I won’t marry a Korean man because I feel obliged to.
Date who you want date, stop being so obsessed with everything race related… and dare I say it… enjoy your life’s. Peace to everyone.
430 Michael Ejercito // Jan 5, 2012 at 1:14 pm
Is this not simply a numbers game? After all, there are a lot more potential white partners than Asian partners.
431 Kirsten // Jan 5, 2012 at 2:30 pm
I never found white men to be attractive unless they’re kind of Dutch-ish. Anyway I love my asian culture so I’m sticking with asians. I don’t think I’ll ever find true love with a white man so I’ll stick to my ego and marry someone of my own ethnicity. It’s just more compatible. Is it me or do most white men marry average looking asians?
432 WTF? // Jan 17, 2012 at 6:39 pm
No Asian women wants white dudes anyways, so why do all Asian men act so angry when a white dude is able to get an Asian girlfriend?
433 WTF? // Jan 17, 2012 at 6:41 pm
And Ji-Yeon, just because there are more asian girls/white guy couples at the moment does not mean that there are more Asian girls that like white guys.
All the Asian women white male couples I see are of older generations.
434 The Engineer // Feb 18, 2012 at 2:32 pm
Well, here is more fuel to feed the fire.
Although the following article pertains to the country of New Zealand, I am quite sure the subject of the article is applicable to the rest of the Western World (as far as psychotic Asian females are concerned).
“Asian Women ‘Sexually Reckless’”
by Swapna Majumdar”
dated November 7, 2007
http://www.boloji.com/index.cfm?md=Content&sd=Articles&ArticleID=1627
Here are some good excerpts:
“Three out of four pregnant Asian teenage women in New Zealand abort their pregnancy compared to 59 per cent and 32 per cent of European and Maori teenage women, respectively.
In fact, according to a research paper titled ‘Problem of Asian Women’s Sexuality: Discourses in Public Health in Aotearoa, New Zealand’ (2007), presented at the 4th APCRSH in Hyderabad, at least one Asian woman in the age group 14-25 years (usually a student), was referred by a Christchurch-based clinic every day for pregnancy termination…”
“…
She contends that the reproductive and sexual health of Asian communities in New Zealand has emerged as a ‘problem’ in the last five years. Much of it has emerged from the general perception of Asians living in the country. Asians are seen as bringing with them abusive drinking, careless driving, drugs, gambling and criminal activity. This negative image is reinforced when even the country’s Ministry of Women’s Affairs (MWA) website (mwa.govt.nz) states that ‘Asian women are more likely to abort a pregnancy’.
…”
“…
But, instead of understanding the problems, medical practitioners and the media continue to stress that Asian women live permissive lives, don’t understand contraception; and that Asian students exposed to New Zealand-style school education on sex “miss the point” completely because of cultural differences [of Asian females]. According to a report, cited in Simon-Kumar’s current paper, by Terri Hu McFriedes, who researched Asian high school students, in classrooms where sex education is taught, there is lots of fun and laughter. But for Kiwis the “message is still delivered. Asians [Asian females] don’t get the real message”.
…”
I know some you psychotic Asian females would like to dismiss such research as pointless simply because this research was done in some foreign country. To answer you, I must say that New Zealand is just as Westernized (read: White) as the United States of America (perhaps even more so), and if you have not seen an abortion study done within the United States of America, the probable reason is that no one is brave enough to do it — yet.
Probably the most disgusting behavior I have received from a psychotic Asian woman is the “goo goo” eyes from a 6-month, pregnant Asian woman. You know the type: long black hair, long black dress (obviously bulging with a 6-month fetus), no ring on the left hand.
To Hell with her, To Hell with them all.
William Shakespeare said it best in Hamlet:
“Leave her to heaven.”
To my fellow Asian brothers, it has been a while since I have posted new commentaries. I have been busy. I would also like to report that I have made strides in my relationships with Caucasian women. I still encourage all of you to consider Caucasian women as girlfriends and wives.
More later…
Thank you for listening.
435 David // Mar 1, 2012 at 11:45 am
If the opposite was happening- ie lots of Asian guys dating white women- white guys would be pissed off as well. Can u imagine how all the neo-nazis etc would react?
436 David // Mar 1, 2012 at 11:48 am
I guess Hitler was right then. Blond hair, blue eyed men are the “master race”. Even Asian girls think so.
437 Ashley // Mar 9, 2012 at 2:22 pm
Although I can’t say I hate Oriental women, and I don’t resent the fact many of them date white men – I, as a white lady, resent the way Oriental broads are always smirking at and ridiculing us white women. Now, I’m a very pretty Anglo-Saxon girl, with big green eyes; long, curly dark hair; a delicate complexion; and a slim, petite figure – so I’m NOT jealous of these Oriental broads with their squinty, beady little eyes, flat noses, and yellow skin. They look crappy. And Filipino women are REALLY ugly, with thick, flat noses, thick, rubbery, blobby fish lips, and a muddy complexion. Puke.
438 Xavier // Mar 26, 2012 at 10:55 pm
Ashley: you should realise that Asian women are not interested in equal relationships with men … and want to be the kept person in a relationship.
Which is why you should meet an Asian guy, we’re sick of being the person who is the only one who has to fight stereotypes.
439 um // Apr 7, 2012 at 9:16 pm
Ashley, we Asian women are smirking at you because you’re obviously vain ,shallow, and obnoxious. Even if you claim to be pretty on the outside, you’re clearly a very ugly person on the inside.
440 um // Apr 7, 2012 at 9:32 pm
A lot of AFs marry out of their race because they actually are the most NON-racist in their dating choices of all groups of women. If you do the math: of every 100 males in the US, 66 are white, 5 are Asian, 13 are African-American, the rest are Latino/other. Now, if there is no preference for a certain race, statistically speaking, Asian Females are most likely to end up with a Caucasian man. The fact that 66% of Asian Females do not marry Caucasians means that most actually prefer to marry within their race. So stop resenting and start applying some basic math here.
I will agree with the poster above that it doesn’t help that most Asian men prefer extremely thin girls. I don’t have a single male cousin (and I have many) that didn’t date or marry an extremely thin wife. So all of the non-skinny Asian girls (anyone above a size 3) usually end up with non-Asians because they are forced to, no Asian man will have them.
441 kwik // Sep 1, 2012 at 10:47 am
I just personally am against interracial relationships, not strongly yet, but I would never want an olympics where every country have their mixture of negros running track, white men swimming, and asian breed doing gymnastics. Its against my idea of a mix bowl. I prefer to have a world of colorful races and people, and preserving the originality is important. personally i only date women from my own provincial group in china, I’m more attracted to their dialogues and their features.
442 anonymous // Apr 2, 2013 at 2:44 pm
asian men who hate asian women who date white guys should form their own group, like the kkk or the aryan white brotherhood. those groups were/are formed to prevent race mixing and to reverse/prevent racial integration.
you can blame martin luther king and the civil rights movement for interracial dating/marriage in large numbers in the us. there is no way to reverse cultural globalization, political correctness, and the spirit of love and cooperation in the world today, but it doesn’t hurt to try. fight the good fight asian men. keep your ugly-ass women in line. heil.
443 ozzie mitchell // Apr 17, 2013 at 12:09 am
Hey guys:
The primary reason that some Asian women date or marry white guys has less to do with physical features and more to do with trying to get their cash or gain access to white society whom they think will racicially accept them more. However, when that Asian woman gets anywhere near that white guy he condescendingly treats her like trash out in public or in private, and his white relatives do the same, nine times out of ten. In short, that Asian girl is made by white males to be invisible with little or no opinions to listen to or respect by anyone in that white males family or amongs his white friends.
Unfortunately, most Asian women do not find this out until after they are married or have childrenm who are forced by white husbands or fathers to learn or study only white culture not Asian culture, especially languages.
As for another reason that Asian women have significantly ditched dating or marrying Asian men is because Asian men are way too racist towards other nonwhite males, and spends a greatdeal of time racially putting down Native-American Indians, African-Americans, and Latino—none of which historically harmed Asian men or their cultures.
It it understandable that Asian guys criticize white men, but when they also tear into nonwhite men who never racially harmed them, then it is obviously plain racism and ugliness, extreme cowardice because they always hide their racial attacks and just whisper them into their Asian girl or wife’s ear, instead of letting that nonwhite male hear the perjorative, and in short turns cool Asian women completely off.
The enemy of your enemy is your friend, so Asian guys racially bashing fellow nonwhites of the world is basically foolish…and self-defeating.
444 Rohan Shinde // Jan 30, 2014 at 3:16 am
Couldnt agree more with the guys who are favouring asian men in this debate.
Google “colonial mentality” and you will get it as to why asian women sell their house to get a white guy.Mind you that mentality is applicable to filipino,indian etc chicks who were ruled by white masters
Asian women will date a 53 yr old white guy living on benefits with the weight of polar bear rather than a slightly shy 28 yr old asian guy with a good education and a good job and then say ‘im attracted to him and he will take good care of me ,its true love’ and all the lovey dovey bull crap.
Then there is the excuse of oh my father was worse than hitler and how i heroically rebelled against him (and also made me paint all asian men from japan to sri-lanka with the same brush)
And then you have the ‘i am just not attracted to him’ a phenomena drilled into the heads of these chicks by MTV and the white american media , also the repeated pairing of asian chicks with white duds in movies.
And then you have the asian chick who when asked about her future love life will say ‘ i dream of a blonde guy who will love me till me dies’ , what about the next door guy who happens to be an asian guy who happens to be really sweet and caring? No, No me want only white , white the bestest.
Face it white guys , asian chicks are money grabbing whores who want to date you for your wallet and more importantly the PALE SKIN and portray themselves as sweet and easy to lure you
445 Bin laden // Dec 23, 2015 at 5:10 am
Let them have the sluts, we need to build military bases on the west coast to protect our daughters from these traitors n predators. Also to save native Indians, take revenge for black slaves and Muslim freedom fighters We need to capture these female demons n sent them to breeding facility then send the newborns to our military staff. They owe 400 yrs of rent money to the indigenous that must be paid in blood w/ interests. Lol long live chairman Mao. Lol
446 Jayden Fong // Jan 15, 2016 at 11:21 pm
Everyone should watch ‘Seeking Asian Female’, very revealing about the problematic culture we have.
447 Samuel Chua // Mar 23, 2016 at 11:25 pm
No idea about that I think asian women like to go for white let them go ,this all just for asian who brought up in western countries,not in asian country buisness but wish good luck for all asian men in western country to date with white girls .But u would see in any asian countries asian women prefer asian men 10 times more than other race.First is their parent problem ,second they would feel unsecure with white boy in their country like a playboy.Just a little percentages in asian world asian women would go for white in their country cause they didnt seen white before in their country,they would feel thats is special they can show off with their friends,But asian ppl would feel this kind of girls are weird and shame(0~20% ).I realise a funny things white boys go for asian women ,they will feel asian girl are easy sry in the opposite side asian girls feel ur guys are too naive too soft and too easy to become their pet XD
448 Polly // Jan 14, 2017 at 8:53 am
I have never been attracted to East Asian guys general, because I landed in Canada when I was little, in an extremely white pa rt of Toronto – pretty much the only Asian people I knew well were blood relations, except for this set of neighbours that became like brothers and sisters to me, so Westermarck effect.
I am ethnic Chinese and I could only find East Asians attractive if they are very clearly not ethnic Chinese (not a chance that we will discover that we were related while planning the wedding). My grandparents on both side had many children and they had many siblings who had many children. Both set of my grandparents fled to Hong Kong during the civil war in China and subsequently we lost contact with blood relatives left behind in mainland. Accidental incest is therefore justifiable paranoia, especially with Chinese guys from Southern China where my ancestry lies. I did have a crush on a Chinese guy once who was from the Far North, he was extremely tall and skinny and whiter than white – he look nothing like any of my uncles or cousins.
My brother shares the same aversion as me, I am pretty all his girlfriends so far have been white – though that might have been a side-effect of him now living in a very white town.
Looking back on all my early crushes, from classmates to celebs, I actually have a preference for handsome brown guys like Alexander Siddig – but in real life, I will avoid dating black or brown guys due to reasons of cultural baggage – I don’t want to deal with it, I don’t want to have children who would have to deal with it.
So white guys are my preference by default! Though there is the pull factor of me being a big fan of many British culture elements (I would love to date a British guy, but I probably would not want to date an Eastern European guy). Culture might be the reason why my brother dates primary white girls of British/American backgrounds (but not the Russian exchange students even though here were so many beautiful ones around), he grew up idolizing David Attenborough and he’s a huge Game of Thrones fan. He’ll probably name his Eurasian students after one of the Starks…
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